N.H. "No labels" event: Trump swings, misses wildly, goes unhinged....

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  1. MAYTAG

    MAYTAG Active Member

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    I don't know about republicans, but I am personally no longer intelligent enough to continue voting for this gop-dem establishment that does nothing but sell us out to foreign interests.
     
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    Well Duh.
     
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    Gaius_Marius Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am not sure what exactly you are referring to here and why it was posted with my quote. But I have been following most of the debates and interviews with the candidates and I can tell you that this is something Bernie Sanders has talked about a lot. He has been against all the past trade deals and firmly believes in keeping jobs in America.

    I suggest you search Youtube for Bernie Sanders interviews and listen to him speak. He is in my opinion an intelligent and honest man that always says what he thinks and why and what he wants to do about any given question.
     
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    Not just foreign interests, but WS and big banks. But it's mostly all international now so in a way it is to foreign interests as well.
     
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    Sanders is my second choice.
     
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    The success of wall street would be our success. Your second sentence is the reason it is not. It's the reason modern fiscal conservatism will fail us.
     
  7. dairyair

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    I see no reason how the success of WS in any way represent the success of main street. I would view the other way around. Unless they game the system, and they do.
    Unless one can't buy IPOs without WS.
     
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    If banks invested in businesses that employ Americans, our successes would be shared. It is foreign labor, whether here by illegals or abroad through outsourcing that disconnects the two. Well, that's the biggest part of it, in my opinion. I think both Trump and Sanders agree with me on this.
     
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    I agree with that also. We've been sold out. Perhaps I misunderstood your earlier posting. WS doesn't care about main street and they don't share or care about main st.
     
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    At the same time, we must recognize the position wall street is in and that businesses must maximize profits to compete and stay in business. It's not that they don't care necessarily. The problem is ideologues on both sides who each insist on nonsolutions. Gop says we let them do what they want. Dem says we stick it to them good and bring wall street to its knees. Neither approach will help us. Wall Street doesn't care any less about you and me than we do about any other random people we don't know whom caring for might put us out of business.
     
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    Profits do not need to be maximized to stay in business. They only need to make a profit.
    And WS does nothing to change a companies profits. Again, after IPOs, the price of stock means nothing to the company except to reflect if people think the company is making profits. The fact things want to be maximized, hurts main street.
     
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    Businesses must be run efficiently, and workers who aren't on board with that shouldn't be allowed to force the rest of us to live in poverty under the liberal utopia that results when businesses "just" make a profit. We are getting screwed, but the answer is not legislated inefficiencies, weakness, poor work ethic, or undeserved entitlements, such as a job where all you have to do is show up.
     
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    Jeb Bush and GOPe Busted! Bush Staffer Planted in Audience Used to Attack Donald Trump

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    http://theconservativetreehouse.com...ience-to-frame-donald-trump-narrativehit-job/

    Ms Batchelder has since taken down her Twitter account.

    https://twitter.com/Iamthebatman___
     
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    I know but you did mention "farcical campaign" which is what Hillary Clinton's campaign is. Trump has put out several policy position papers which I guess missed the attention of people not paying attention. The republicans have a fantastic bench, the democrats, not so much.

    I can't wait to see Trump debate Hillary, though I think that Vice President of gaffes, Joe "the plagiarist" Biden, will have to take her place on the stage when the indictments start pouring in. Here's an idea, how about Constitutional government, free market capitalism instead of the top down tyranny socialism and executive order fiats and regulatory persecution of people and business? If you want honest politicians you won't find them in the democrat's line-up this year.
     
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    If you equate Clinton's campaign with the "reality" (staged half the time) show Trump has run so far there is little hope. What papers would those be? The three sections on his homepage a first year college student could write and probably has? Are you serious? Try visiting either Sanders' or Clinton's homepage and compare them and come back to me.

    You seem awfully partisan as witnessed by the fanatical belief that Clinton will somehow be swept away by criminal charges when no reputable commentator nor political analyst would believe that and nothing, absolutely nothing has been revealed that would warrant such belief.

    Your idea is insane. Free market capitalism does not and cannot exist because wealth is always concentrated in less and less hands and all businesses would attempt to monopolize any market. Without regulation you will have deaths, environmental disasters and people being treated as slaves by those with power and wealth.

    Do you know anything about the Romans? They probably lived in the freest market in history and the state/emperor killed rich people to enrich the state and rich people would give ordinary people handouts because wealth distribution is necessary to keep an economy flowing.
    Or look at feudalism if you want. The Laissez faire period.

    No... You are one of those Americans who believe in political issues and economic issues like they were religions and that is a complete and epic fail.
     
  17. dairyair

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    My goodness. Are you now stumping for the R party?
    I never said a company shouldn't be run efficiently. I did or tried to say maximizing profits should not be the main focus. Growing business, long and medium term goals and plans to grow and maintain profitability. You will never ever get 100% of everything so getting all workers on board won't happen, but you can get the vast majority. And you or the company won't be in poverty if 100% aren't on board. However, to throw people out into the streets during a downturn will make some live in poverty.
    How is just making a profit living in poverty? And what is just making a profit. I am only referring to do anything at all costs to maximize profit.
    And I not talking about folks just showing up either. That does not cut it.

    IMO, and I've been in many companies, the best companies are when the company and workers are on the same page. The company puts it workers near the top of the food chain in making decisions about the company and not put them last.
    Those that hold customer, stock holders, then employees as the hierarchy are not good places to work for. Those companies will crap on their employees in order to satisfy stock holders. Once the IPO has finished, the price of stock means nothing to the company. The share price will take care of itself if the company is strong and growing.
     
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    You will wait a long long time. Trump won't make it til April. Mark this post and bring it back if he does.
    And pray for us all, Hilary won't get the nomination. It can NOT happen. It MUST not happen.
     
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    Some folks can't think for themselves and only know what Fox and RW BS talk radio tell them. Lemmings the lot of them.
     
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    Is THAT the face of a President?! I don't think so...


    :)
     
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    Are some people still hung-up on that one-time gaffe?

    :lol:

    Hint: in 2008, there were 57 Democratic nomination contests: the 50 states, DC, 5 territories, and a double process for the state of Texas, known as the Texas-2-Step. Obama was tired and campaigning nonstop. He meant 57 contests, said 57 states, and some whackos went crazy.

    Please don't tell me that there are still bat(*)(*)(*)(*) crazy people out there who still hang on the 57 thing, or?

    Really?

    :lol:
     
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    Yes, he promises everyone everything - free money. Free college. Free everything. How he will pay for this is the WWII 90% tax rate.

    That was, of course, a world war tax to force people to buy war bonds - to be paid 100% plus interests and not free money at all. And since WWII destroyed the industries of every other industrial nation of the world, while ours is undamaged, it could be done.

    SO Sanders should inform us exactly how he plans to cause WWIII and how every other country's industrial and economic base will be totally destroyed, while the USA suffers no war damage.

    He's a white haired old academia kook from the whitest state in the country, for which everyone knows he'd never be able to do anything he promises - fortunately.
     
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    I don't. There is no comparison. Clinton's few events and appearances are staged, complete with teleprompter and focus groups telling her how to act and feel from one week to the next. Trump doesn't use a teleprompter. Little hope of what? Like the false hope that Obama promised of "hope and change"? We go less hope and no change.

    Well I know he's done taxes, 2nd Amendment and immigration.

    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform
    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/second-amendment-rights
    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

    I am a partisan, no doubt. But the FBI isn't and they don't investigate inanimate objects like emails and servers.

    Free market capitalism doesn't mean no regulation. But it is what makes America great. It is proven to be the greatest system of wealth creation in the world.

    I'm trying to understand the parallel between the Roman Empire and Donald Trump?

    Liberalism is the religion of the left. Abortion is their human sacrifice ritual and government is their god.
     
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    Well... I don't honestly care whether they use a teleprompter when making a speech but about what they say. If a politician feels more comfortable making it off the prompter it is fine by me. Just as some needed to read longer notes or complete speeches in the past. Trump is a buffoon by any standard.

    But honestly. Do you really measure a candidate by whether they use a prompter and not what they say?? That is intellectual bankruptcy?:omg:

    Your answer makes me doubt whether you have actually read those links yourself. I told you to compare them to Sanders' and Clinton's home pages and come back to me. You didn't even read Trumps half ass plans that could have been written by a college student as I told you in my previous answer.

    So? That she is being investigated is quite irrelevant to whether she has the right policies. You seems awfully focused on everything but the politics.


    Again with no substance. Then what is free market capitalism and what kind of regulation do you want? It makes America greats because? Proven when? We live in an evolving world mate? You think something that worked 200 years ago is the truth and unquestionable today? You don't think you need to address every issue with the information available now and with the reality you live in?

    Is that you Trump?


    And what am I to do about that? Educate you? Go read some books and figure it out. You could find loads of information online and for free. Intellectual curiosity for the win!


    Liberalism is actually on the right side of the political spectrum in Europe where we have Socialists and Communists to the left of Liberalism. But no matter.
    You seem lost somewhere in American tribalism and religious doctrin.
     
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    I'm not sure what expertise a line worker has that qualifies him to make executive decisions. This rhetoric about the boss not caring and workers being crapped on is what has destroyed work ethic in this country. The boss has given you a means to earn a living. Gratitude? That relationship is not one of unconditional love, but one with mutual benefits to both. Workers who perform well are rewarded. Workers who don't should not be rewarded. They should be crapped on. Pick up the pace, you lazy bums. If we are going to justify government action that coerces businesses into hiring Americans, then Americans had better get their asses ready to work.

    Profit maximization is a basic principle of economics. It ensures optimal and efficient output for a business. Failing to maximize costs the company and the workers. The problem is cheap, foreign labor. But the fact that American workers might not even think maximizing profits is a good idea will be a much bigger problem. It may have been that attitude that played a part in driving companies to hire foreigners, who will work harder and whine less about economics they do not comprehend.

    The banks and government have screwed us but we will never do any better unless we American workers confess our own sins as well.
     

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