He makes a valid point, though, and Socialist Realism can be a hideous style, too. I can remember how that style drew a lot of complaints about the MLK statue in DC that looks like something straight outta Pyongyang or Beijing: MLK meets Chairman Mao. I've always thought he deserved better...
Dont care. Worrying about these statues is pointless. Far more important things to worry about. This is all about peoples feefees.
Of course not everyone is going to view different people the same way. A lot has to do with why they are being memorialized. As to those who have served their time, I guess it depends on the crime committed, when, and the age of the person when it was committed. Someone who robs a bank with no physical harm inflicted, first time, last time, they should be treated same as anyone else. IMO, the moment intentional physical harm is involved, they are on the bottom the respect pile. The one I referenced, did nothing that should cause his statue to be put in various places. Yes, he was killed. Is there something particularly noteworthy about it? Was he defending someone? Nope. I don't care what color he was, but his personal history does not speak well of him, considering his actions. He doesn't offend me, I couldn't care less, but since people want to make a point regarding other existing statues, I thought I'd make mine. At this point, I'd rather see plants and trees and a fountain in public parks and spaces, not statues of people when half the populace don't even know their names.
False, its about remembering history. But taking them down is all abaout someones feefees and not worthy the time.
Why would we want to remember a guy who founded the klan? Do we need a hitler statue to remember him?
Why wouldnt you want to remember the guy who founded the klan? Its called history and so you can help stop it from repeating. What a silly question lol. I'm not surprised you had to ask it, but it is hilarious.
Some statues have been erected to remember evil and what it did. Doesnt at all justify taking them down due to peoples feefees. Its a waste of time.
You need a statue to remember history? I bet the T**** picture book of his undistinguished term will be right up your alley. I have no problem with ANY statues of nearly ANYBODY in APPROPRIATE places.... which is not on the side of a public interstate (or a street corner in Seattle) The only place I would think a statue of NBF would be appropriate would be Mar-A-Lago...
The "Why?" is an important question but it doesn't necessarily matter to every person. For example, I have a friend who was sexually abused by her father. She has three older siblings (2 sisters, 1 brother) and their father molested all of them. Of the four, her oldest sister was the only person engaged with their dad until he died. The other three hated him and never forgave him but she did and she said it was because she took an oath when she earned her RN license. Yes, she was as equally traumatized by their father, but her perspective of *who* (the question of "Why?" are we memorializing someone) was less important to her than honoring her commitment to care for people. Doctors and nurses face this all the time and they take an oath to care for all their patients regardless of *who* they are and what awful things they may have done to others. This is why I commented about no person being universally loved or hated. It's all on a spectrum and dependent on many, many factors. That isn't really how it pans out though. People, especially Americans generally aren't as forgiving and loving as we claim to be. If someone has never been arrested or had a loved one incarcerated, most of the population "writes off" ex-cons. They struggle with finding housing, legal employment, car loans and many other things people who've never been incarcerated basically take for granted. People don't ask themselves if the person committed a specific type of crime, what were the circumstances, how old were they when they committed the crime, etc.. For the majority of people ALL incarcerated people are "bad" and don't deserve to be helped. This is why recidivism rates are so high. Essentially, EVERY prison sentence is a life sentence for most criminals, even juvenile deliquents. Your perspective of who that person was is based on your worldview about people that engage in X behavior. For you, that is enough to have any statues erected for that person. I knew someone that worshipped Charles Manson and he actually cried like a baby when Manson died. I know people who were mistreated by Mother Teresa or knew someone who had been mistreated by her. Further, I don't believe that memorials (ie statues, paintings, etc.) are created as a testament to one's character but the impact their life had on the society in which they lived. So, we aren't holding someone in high esteem by marking their space in history. Consider all the statues of Presidents that owned slaves. Think of all the statues of Confederate soldiers. There's a monument of Benedict Arnold. The current climate of our society is such that black and brown people are often targets of law enforcement whether they've done something wrong or not whereas most white people, unless they are known as criminals to police officers, are assumed to be innocent. So, Floyd's death IS a marked part of our country's history. Acknowledging his life because of the manner of his death is behind the statue rather than some rainbow covered unicorn story about his actual life. I hope I didn't give you the impression that you shouldn't have made your comment. If so, please accept my apology as that was not the intent behind my response to you. I have a confession. That really made me LOL. The reason being, the first thought that popped in my head was "If half the population knows your name (the other side of your equation), there is no need for a statue." Much peace to you, CD.
And it was Forrest who tried to disband the Klan in 1869 and why he was not a Grand Wizard afterwards. He was a key lobbyists for the Klu Klux Klan act passed 1871. Forrest's speech to the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association July 5, 1875. A convention and BBQ was held by the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association at the fairgrounds of Memphis, five miles east of the city. An invitation to speak was conveyed to General Nathan Bedford Forrest, one of the city's most prominent citizens, and one of the foremost cavalry commanders in the late War Between the States. This was the first invitation granted to a white man to speak at this gathering. The invitation's purpose, one of the leaders said, was to extend peace, joy, and union, and following a brief welcoming address a Miss Lou Lewis, daughter of an officer of the Pole-Bearers, brought forward flowers and assurances that she conveyed them as a token of good will. After Miss Lewis handed him the flowers, General Forrest responded with a short speech that, in the contemporary pages of the Memphis Appeal, evinces Forrest's racial open-mindedness that seemed to have been growing in him. Ladies and Gentlemen I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God's earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. ( Immense applause and laughter.) I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to elevate every man to depress none. (Applause.) I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going. I have not said anything about politics today. I don't propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I'll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand. (Prolonged applause.) Whereupon N. B. Forrest again thanked Miss Lewis http://www.tennessee-scv.org/ForrestHistSociety/forrest_speech.html
Iconoclasm marks a step in civilization. It makes our founders and heroes into villains. The step after is violence, authoritarianism and most often genocide. https://blogs.mediapart.fr/nicholas-molodyko/blog/050920/iconography-intellectually-inhibited
I just want to be clear.... you are indicating the KKK is a "religious group" and NB Forrest is a "founder or hero"?? M'Kay.... Obviously, you didn't read word one of my post... I'm FOR most statuary NOT being destroyed
It is too bad the woke crowd is so misguided in this vengeance they seek. If the REALLY looked at Bedford's life they would be honoring him. He had a total epiphany and became a civil rights leader in those times promoting and advocating the advancement of the now freed African slaves. They like to point out he was the first Grand Wizard of the Klu which he was but 2 years later he saw it turning into a racist group and resign and then help fight to end it including being a key supporter of the Klu Klux Klan act that was passed in 1871. He was an example of a person changing for the good and should be honored for it.
