NATO FILM: Forest Brothers – Fight for the Baltics

Strange, how the Nazis in Galatia harp on the Holodymir when it didn't affect them, and affected only the Russians in Eastern Europe who they hate and are ethnically cleansing. And also strange how the Nazi genocide of the Ukrainians is never mentioned, when their only intent for the war was to take the fertile lands of Ukraine and Russia to feed the German people.

As for the Germans running for their dear lives from the Soviets, well of course they did. Wouldn't you, if you were exterminating people non stop, and they started coming after you? So let's cut out the garbage. It's a pity though. The Nazis wanted to exterminate the Russians and push them to the Urals, and instead their own population was exterminated and they were pushed out of the lands they had lived in for centuries. It was the biggest migration in history. Millions were uprooted and millions died at the hands of the people they were killing.

Hopefully Germany won't repeat its mistakes. As one German intellect said, "Carthage fought Rome twice and was defeated. The third time they disappeared from the map.

 

Excellent post, Jeannette!

 

Yes, all those casualties at Abu Ghraib and Gitmo was awful! Do you remember how many there were??

 

Here they are: http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html

And of course the Soviet Union was under communism, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and every other communist leader said they were communists and were part of communist parties. They would certainly be more expert on their own communism than you.

 

Yes the Russians were stupid, as stupid as we are to allow our own government to be taken over by foreigners such as Brzezinsky, whose foreign policy was formed with Poland's benefit in mind and George Soros, a psychopaths with messianic tendencies who believes in a one world government and the destruction of the US. He specializes in chaos and overthrowing government and once said he found the US to be the most difficult. And then of course we have the neo cons who throw us into one war after another for the benefit of Israel.

Now what was it again you said about the Russians being stupid? Now here's a bit from the Duran:

As the Russian hysteria from the liberal left bubble reaches new heights with Donald Trump Jr.’s 20 minute meeting with a Russian lawyer…Tucker Carlson interviewed Michael Caputo, a former Trump communications adviser, who was sent to Russia by Bill Clinton in 1994, for the explicit purpose to meddle in Russia’s election, and ensure that Boris Yeltsin secured the Presidency.


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Sorry, but the Nazis didn't exterminate all the people they came across in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union. In fact, they used millions of them in their military. A large number of troops defending the German Defenses in Normandy were from the Soviet Union and E. Europe.

For one thing, the Germans didn't kill all the people they came across during the war that weren't ethnic Europeans.

In fact, about 1.5 million Soviet citizens served in the German forces.
https://ww2-weapons.com/russian-troops-with-the-german-army/

I can understand the former Obama government trying to destroy Christianity, like Stalin did. However, Trump has no agenda like you imagine.

 

WW 2 is over. And you went off-topic on Hollywood being controlled by Leftist Socialists---something you can't disprove.

 

Sorry, have you lived in the USSR? No. I did, so I think I know better than you if it was communism there or not.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/Marx_Critque_of_the_Gotha_Programme.pdf
The main principe of communism is stated by Marx in his Critique of the Gotha Progamme that I referenced above is as following: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. This principe was not realized in USSR. Therefore, there was no communism there. The fact that the communist party existed in Soviet Union,and the leaders called themselves communists does not mean that political and economical organization of the country was in the form of communism.
I would agree to points 2,5, 6, 7, 8, 9,10 from Manifest.

 

That's right they didnt, like some like to claim here, young children who were blond, blue/green eyed, light features were sent back to Germany for acculturation and "germanization", many exist to this day.

 

There was Nazi plan Ost. You can find its description here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
Nazis planned to terminate all population of Russia until Urals. If those who started to serve Germans did not do that, they would be killed as the rest of the people. West did not experience the same horrorr that people in Poland and Soviet Union have experienced.

 

How do you know they did not? Soviet people were not supposed to be accultured as you say: it was for Chez people, Hungarian, Bulgarians.
Zoom, I notice this is not the first time you defend Nazis: tell the truth, are you a Nazi fan?

 

The Nazis measured their heads to make sure they were pure Arians before taking them into their armies. In Greece about one tenth of the population starved to death. Certain people though had it well with the Nazis, and were allowed to fish or were given food. ..although the Greeks never knew why. Well I do! Everyone I knew that had it well with the Nazis were blond. If I lived there, me and my mother would have had it well with them, but not my father or brother.

Anyway their theories were crazy. The Nazis never had anything to base this superior race thing on except for the achievements of the ancient Greeks. So to them the ancient Greeks had to have looked like Germans. Well there's a book at the Smithsonian called the people of Lerna that was written to combat the Nazi propaganda about the Greeks being a pure 'Arian' race.

When they examined the bones at Lerna they found the oldest ones were Mediterranean, and then they mixed with a nordic/Iranian people. Later they mixed with the Greeks who were central Europeans. Basically they found that they had the same physical and facial proportions as they do today...

 

I think it was Lenin and the Bolsheviks that persecuted the Christians the most. Unless I'm mistaken Stalin was a little more lenient, although it could be because he felt people needed their faith during the war. He even relaxed with the Jews during the war.

 

If a German adult back in 1940 said he was a Nazi and supported even a few planks of National Socialism, you would, of course call him rightly, "a Nazi" even if he was not a member of Hitler's NS Party.

I use the above analogy to rightly label ALL the major Commie leaders rightly as Communists.

I support Zero of ten from the Commie Manifesto. Place them all in garbage where they belong.

 

Doesn't matter what some plan "said" by some "expert"---what matters is what happened.

You should post your theories with those about Hitler's UFO bases at the North Pole. Rubbish.

 

Meanwhile today's NATO is on the front line in the Baltics facing down Russia. Canada and the UK in the baltic states and the USA in Poland.

 

Well, you DO realise, that politicians are not always honest, and that ideology mentioned in name of political party is not necessarily the ideology this party represents? Communist Party of Soviet Union was not exactly the example of pure communism. It changed it's direction several times, not to mention that it was ONLY party existing in Union for majority of it's history, membership in which was mandatory for majority of population to have any sort of career or social wellfare.


We are not in 70th, pretty much time to start treating things properly.

 

And excuse me, this is not a conspiracy theory - it's a document. Prepared, polished, passed through governmental structures and verified by officials.

It is as real as yearly budget spendings planning made by your or mine governments, as documents that plan creation of new infrastructure - roads, railroads, bridges and such.

It's an official product of government's work.

 

Your Commie teachers have brainwashed you well about WW 2.
Why did the Nazis even allow an Islamic Waffen SS division, the 13th, to be formed by Muslims in Croatia? There were not Lilly White troops.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/747153/posts


There were also numerous "Slavic" units of captured Russians who switched sides and fought for the Germans. If your version of history was correct, then none of them should have existed. There is mountain of evidence to disprove your theories:

http://www.feldgrau.com/WW2-German-Wehrmacht-Russian-Volunteers

 

Stalin did relent some on his anti-Christian polices to boost moral and public support later in the war.
However, how many Christian Churches were built during Stalin's reign? I'd guess about zero.

 

Yes, Lenin and Stalin were not the greatest, the "best" and "most pure" Communists.

Pol Pot was the greatest Communist leader ever to walk the Earth. He created the most perfect classless society in modern timesin Cambodia by sending everyone to rural death/work camps. All impure Communists were executed right away. There was only one party. All who failed being communists were:

 

How do you know they did. I mentioned they captured, rounded up young children who were perhaps orphans, young enough that their minds could be molded and their past background made to be forgotten. They were given German names, billeted with german families, put into German schools etc, not much different what Soviet Russians did during holodomor in Ukraine.
Anyway I met an elderly lady through distant relatives of mine in Mannheim years back. She was taken from Ukraine in 42, Renata was her first name if I recall.


No. Heavens no, I am no nazi fan, and I never call anyone a nazi here vis, unlike yourself and a couple others who've tried to label me one here.

 

You might be surprised, but you're not correct. ACTUALLY - during the period of WWII the anti-religious movement was slowed down, basically - pretty much logically - to avoid additonal tension in the country. Stalin himself even used the christian "brothers and sisters" when adressed public during that period. In Soviet Union at that time it really was mainly used by clergy.

The further prosecution of clergy and opression of religion continued after war, but still in a relatively mild form - all the way until Stalin's death from carnal bleeding in 1953, and Khruschev taking the post of head of Central Commitee of CPSU. He was the one who launched the largest in history of SU anti-religious campaign, organised and aimed at pushing religion from a system of values completely.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_(1958–1964)

 

Stalin was brutal, but not too stupid to totally suppress Christians. I imagine most Christians kept a low profile there during his time. Stalin was no more of a Christian than Caligula. I don't remember Stalin praising God or Jesus in any address.

 

Pol Pot was not a communist, he was a butcher. Again - label on thing does not means thing is what it labelled as. If people like Mao, Pol Pot and Stalin called themselves communists, it does not mean they WERE communists.

Let's be direct: Soviet Union tried launching communism as economic and social system - it failed. It was done once, and it lasted two years before it collapsed and was replaced with NEP - "New Economic Policy", de facto - pure refined capitalism, that ended up being cause for split of party - between Trotskiy and Stalin, and you may be knowing rest of story - internal rivalry, in which Stalin prevailed and Trotskiy ended up fleeing the country. What remained - was not communism. It was a junta of politicians, not controlled by population, held in power through elimination of resistance - among people and among government of USSR and governments of it's subjects. Hence the famous Stalin's repressions, system of labour camps and penal colonies, and the gloom reputation of soviet intellegence.

I understand, that probably you grew up to reflectively hate communism, since it's "ideology of enemy" - we have same reaction on nazism and fascism, to point where plently of people do not even know these are two different philosophies. But we're in XXI century. We have means and reasons to be giving these things at least a brief look on our own, to understand how they worked, why they happened, what they did wrong and how to not repeat their mistakes.


Soviet Union, for example, rather illustrates dangers of government that is not controlled, restricted and elected by public - but exists in isolation from it and has enough of control over countries and citizens to enforce policies on them and sustain itself through repressions. I remind you - Communist Party only lost it's position after it have acquired enough democracy-oriented members and got an internal split, that resulted in a coup attempt - countered by governments of soviet republics, mainly RSFSR and it's head of state Eltzin.

Any other nominal form of government would end up in basically equally horrible mess, if it will be in same position as government of Soviet Union was in.