Nazi's- lower than scum on sewage ponds or misunderstood philanthropists?

Yes, but you have to put them on a scale that makes sense. The scale is from Totalitarian to Anarchy. The US Constitution tries to keep us right of center on that scale and the Statists want to move us more towards Totalitarianism while the Libertarians want to move us more toward Anarchy. Both Stalin and Hitler swung to the far left of the scale toward Totalitarianism.

 

Actually, Hitler was just to the far upper right of center in the Authoritarian quadrant, while Stalin was FARRRRR to the upper left.

 

I doubt if the Jews that Hitler and the Soviets murdered, or the people who suffered in Hitlers camps and Soviet gulags, cared about the nicities of such distinctions

 

How can you have an authoritarian "neo-liberal"? This plot makes no sense.

 

I think Truthist gets the key point here. Right wing usually mean hierarchical and Left wing egalitarian. In this sense the Nazis were right wing. But why not just use the terms hierarchical and egalitarian to precisely say what you mean, instead of the vague and confusing "right wing".

 

The Soviet Union was not evil. It was even a democracy.

 

The former Soviet Union was not evil? LMFAO! So Ronald Reagan saying the Soviet Union was an 'evil empire' didn't register with you. Okay, but now that the evil empire is resting in the trashbin of hiistory thanks to Ronnie, you won't have to worry about protecting that regime from that nasty evil empire name any longer. LOL!

 

The type of democratic system was flawed from the beginning, but it still worked effectively for a long time. When Stalin came in it became really subverted. It was not evil though, and it definitely wasn't an "empire".

 

They only confiscated the wealth of people they were sending to the Camps, and of those in conquered nations. Private corporations contracted with the government to produce arms, but for the most part the economy was left in private hands, the Nazi's had no problem with private wealth except for Jews, gay's, Gypsies, and those who opposed the Nazi's. They were extreme nationalists. They were extreme social conservatives, they were racist, they were authoritarian. During the Nazi era, women were pushed out of higher education and were to be kept barefoot and pregnant. Anyone accused of being Liberal, Socialist or Communist was hunted down and sent to the camps. I suggest you actually do some study of the Nazi and Fascist governments and their policies and ignore Jonah Goldberg's nonsense about the policies of the Nazi's and Fascists. The fact is that historians consider his "work" to be complete crap.

 

LOL. That has to be the STUPIDEST thing I have ever read in a forum and I have read some whoppers.

 

It makes as much sense as this poster ever makes, I suppose: it consists of words divorced from meaning.

 

I dunno. I'd say the same about the USA myself.

 

Soviet Atrocities in WW II and Why They Were Ignored

It is said that victors write history and in the case of the Soviet perpetrated war crimes of World War II, the adage couldn't be more true.

Dictator Josef Stalin, NKVD (secret police) chief Lavrentiy Beria, political commissar (and later Soviet leader) Nikita Khrushchev and Marshal Georgy Zhukov, among others, were responsible for either ordering, encouraging or simply ignoring the atrocities. Not one was ever brought to justice.

A Short List of Soviet War Crimes

From their entry in the war, at the side of the Axis, in 1939 Soviet troops and NKVD officials, brutalized, mutilated and slaughtered prisoners and civilians. The rape of women and men was also a regular procedure of the Soviet soldiers in their conquered territories. The Soviets had never accepted Czarist Russia signing of the Geneva Convention. A chronological list of some of the Red Army’s most horrendous crimes includes:

1. Katyn Forest Massacre: The first and most infamous of Soviet war crimes took place some nine miles north-west of Smolensk, Russia. There. The NKVD executed at least 4,253 Polish officers taken prisoner during 1939. About 10,000 prisoners, mostly Polish officers too, from other camps disappeared the following year. The misdeed was kept secret until 1943, when the German Army discovered the tombs at Katyn and used the incident for propaganda.

2. Broniki Murders: About 180 Wehrmacht soldiers surrendered to the Soviets near Broniki, a village of Central Poland on July 1, 1941. Most were wounded. That same day, Red Army soldiers made them take their clothes off and took their uniforms, boots, watches, rings and money and then machine gunned them. A dozen Germans survived by running into nearby woods. On the morning of July 2nd, 153 bodies and the 12 survivors were discovered by another German unit.

3. Ukraine Prisons Massacres: About 4,000 Polish and Ukrainian political prisoners were killed from June 22 to 29, 1941, during the hasty Soviet retreat due to Operation Barbarossa. The bodies, many mutilated, of the inmates were found in the rubble of prisons that had been set on fire. Soviet jailers also threw hand grenades into the cells to make sure there were no witnesses left. As many as 100,000 Polish and Ukrainian political prisoner were murdered during the course of the war.

Women Were Particular Victims

As the Soviet forces closed on Germany from late 1944 to mid 1945, Red Army soldiers perpetrated unspeakable acts of cruelty on German women.

More than two million German women were raped, some multiple times, by Red Army troops. No woman between 13 and 70 was safe. The brutality of the Soviet soldiers was particularly acute and systematic in Berlin.

Many women were found dead and mutilated – breasts cut off, genitals debased – after the soldiers were done with them. The women’s parents, husbands and/or other members of the family were usually forced to watch. It was a way of cowering the men of occupied territories

When informed of what was going on, Stalin replied that he would allow his men to have “fun” with the women.

The German women were not the only sexual victims of the Soviet soldiers. In Austria between 70,000 and 100,000 women were violated; 50,000 to 200,000 in Hungary and unknown totals in Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria and Romania. Even Russian women liberated from prison camps were subjected to abuse.

While atrocities are usually committed by all sides in combat, what makes the Soviet treatment of occupied people particularly heinous is the fact that, like the Nazis, they systematized the cruelty.

Why No Soviet Official Was Ever Brought to Trial

There are three main reasons why no government official or military leader of the Soviet Union had to face charges of war crimes or of crimes against humanity. These are:

1. The Soviet Union was one of the victors in World War II and “to the victors belong the spoils.”

2. The Western Allies did not want to embarrass a partner, or themselves, by making the Soviet atrocities public. It would have been a public relations nightmare to explain how one of the “good guys” was as ruthless and cruel as the Nazis.

3. The huge Red Army. Washington and London, cowered at the idea of having to face the powerful Soviet forces, who now occupied Eastern Europe, over crimes committed against a common enemy.

Resources:

Giles MacDonogh. After the Reich. Basic Books. New York, 2007

Sources:

A list of World War II Atrocities
Controversial German Movie About Soviet War Crimes

 

Well if you want to deny history then be my guest, but the Soviet Union WAS democratic.
Know why they use the word Soviet? Read this, then you might understand.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_democracy

 

Only if you're an idiot

 

Okay so the US put in camps all the Japanese indiscriminately after the war started .
Stalin went after populations that had documented collaboration with the nazis.
Say you had 40m people in Texas and the majority of them took their guns and start fighting on the side of let's say Nepal while you are at war with Nepal , are you going to starve them after the war is over or not ?

Rape in a war is as common as bullets , if you think western troops didn't rape during and after the conclusion of WW2 you are dead wrong.

 

Did we gas them? Did we torture them? Were they not all released after the war?

Your comparson is ignorant. We did it because we were attacked by Japan and they were seen as a nationaal security risk. The Nazis and the Soviets did it because they wanted to exterminate Jews and destroy political opposition.

Go grow a brain.

 

The Germans didn't rape women.

 

But Ukrainians were not political opposition , they fought against USSR and still you didn't replied my question.

says the adult with the fictional friends

 

Probably not, but it's still meaningful.

 

What are you talking about?

 

We still stripped American citizens of their constitutional rights. We may not have executed them, but we still killed many of them by forcing them into the horrible living conditions of the camps.

 

You do realize that Gorbachev, that socialist in charge of the USSR, gave democracy, liberty (for example, freedom of religion), and government transparency back to his people, right?

 

Socialism took those things away. The removal of socialism brought them back. With freedom comes gangsterism. The removal of gangsterism brings a police state. All things have good and bad to them. I would rather have a free society and deal with the repercussions than a police state. One can avoid gangsters. One can't avoid big government. I already get a 1/3 of my pay check taken before it even hits my hands, and you want bigger government? I recognize hate as very strong word. I hate socialists.

 

Wrong. Totalitarianism took those things away. A socialist gave them back.

You hate something you know nothing about.