Nazism nyet? Not yet

A couple of interviews were with people who exaggerated or lied. I bet I can find a few nazi's who lied, or commies who lied, or anti-zionists who lied, or palestinians who lied, or americans who lied, scots who lied.

Its the typical denier ruse. If one person lies, then the other ten thousand people;s story can't be taken as truth. It s stupid, its specious and its intellectually dishonest, but which is why they use it so often.

 

I for one am not a Jew-hater. I hate the political ideology of Zionism which I've outlined to you but you want to seemingly ignore. You asked what I meant by political Zionism and I responded. Now, on the specific issue of those who contributed to the Spielberg documentary. It is not even controversial that the said contributors either lied or grossly exaggerated their various accounts. Are you claiming they didn't?

 

My guess is that this is just more political posturing from Moscow. But it also seems to be saying that Putin is distancing himself from a nationalist agenda.
On the other hand, much of the populist conservative russian public is still resentful against the nazis because of the war. This could just be a popularity move on the part of Putin, trying to appear anti-german to ironically appeal to a sense of russian nationalism.

I don't like it, and it is not easy to tell what Putin's intentions actually are. Seems he is being more manipulative with rhetoric than actually holding to any ideology.

 

Jonsa, I've repeatedly said that the Holocaust was a reality. And I've gone further. I agree with the German state's position on making Holocaust denial a criminal offence.

 

Fredrich Paul Berg? Anglefire? I knew a guy once that loved slurping up vomit from these sites and regurgitating it on a political discussion forum I used to frequent. He was a jew hating (although at the time I still used the "boring" label anti-semite), holocaust denying, lying hack. Pretty pathetic really. Certainly not up to your standards, but I mention it merely by way of referencing to the esteem in which hold such sources.

You should try harder not to be taken in by every tom, dick and jew hater on the web, jack. Its not socially attractive.

 

1. I must have missed your explanation of political zionism, which post was that?
2. Be that as it may, I beleive I explained to you that there are some that you seem to support more often than not that use zionism as a code word for jews and I assure you they are full of vitriolic hatred.
3. see my post #51.

 

I did not say you did. I said that the "poison apple" tactic of taking a miniscule number of clearly proven false testimonies and extrapolating it to the whole "barrel" is disengenuous, manipulative and inaccurate - a typical denier response.

 

Yes, even Foxman talks about killing "all Jews", speak killing the God, because, according to Judaism, Jews are chosen, and killing the Jews means killing the God.

That means, that according to Foxman, Jews are the God.

Does that mean that Jews are worshipping themselves?

BTW, how could Hitler kill the American Jews?
Do they still believe in the USA that Hitler wanted to invade USA in order to kill all Jews?

 

No jack, everyone know Frank collins was half jewish (his father so he wasn't recognized as a jew by jews). He was kicked out of the ANS for his "jewishness" not his pederasty. He eventually resurfaced as Frank Joseph - a paganist author of some really weird atlantis books. the guy is a certified loon.

You mean Wolfgang Hawke? the clown who's father was jewish (also not recognized as a jew by jews) who started up a couple of scam neo=nazi groups and was sued by AOL for 12.4 million? Read spam kings - he's the star of the book. Of course its no surprise that nazis everywhere would take him seriously. Boy exploiting haters can be sooooo easy sometimes.

I see, so the hundreds of years of documented and virulent jew hatred in Russia magically disappeared and now the skin heads running around in the glorious motherland are simply frustrated at jew meddling and manipulation - but I doubt they can actually identify the meddling or the manipulation.

this medlding and manipulation seems to be a common theme. I'd surely love to know what these jews eat or drink to make them so sneaky smart that they can pull the wool over billions of peoples eyes. thank our lucky stars there's righteous people like you jack to uncover their dastardly and evil plots. Boy are the politicians of the world stupid to be sucked in by a little hook nosed gnome wearing a kippa.

Wow. are they devious. they infiltrate nazi organizations in america so they can manipulate them into hating jews, denying the holocaust, protesting the global jewish conspiracy and making national socialism out to be a totally misunderstood good thing, with the added bonus of hating schwartzes! These jews are diabolical I tells ya.

sad man really farging sad.

 

The problem is what exactly constitutes "denial".
The government can't be promoting one version of history and then ban anyone from criticising it. That's totalitarianism and makes the government no better than the nazis.

 

Yes, that is old Bolshevik strategy.

You have to lead the opposition in order to discredit it.
If you cannot beat them, you have to join them, and then discredit them or lead them in the "necessary" direction.

This "Russian" guy used precisely theses tactics:




According to the Russian analyst Geidar Dzhemal, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, who was personally acquainted with Saddam Hussein and his family (he worked as a Soviet diplomat in Iraq), sold all secret informations to the CIA.

Here is Geidar Dzhamal talking about that event in the Talk Show "Gordon Quixote" (beginning with 13:18 ) :

http://www.1tv.ru/sprojects_edition/si5746/fi3521

Well, if somebody (who is not Jewish) talks about the USA in the manner like Zhirinovsky did, (see this clip)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExfLOwmSD88

he would be never admitted to visit the USA and meet the State Department.

But American CIA knows that Zhironovsky is only parroting the "Russian patriots", "Anticommunists" and a rabid "Anti-Semites", that is the reason why he can still visit the USA and is not wanted there.

BTW, the moderator of the Talk show Gordon (Гордо&#1085, one of the most popular analytical TV-Show in Russia, is also a Jew.

That shows us the influence of Jews on the minds of Russians, including the Russian government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Gordon_(journalist)

 

Russia has aggressive right wing organizations to protest Islamic invaders.

And if somebody wants to respect any WW2 fighters more power to them.

(A former business associate years back had served as a volunteer in the Latvian SS.
He fought the Reds across Europe. He was 17 years old)

Airplane buffs deify the late Gen. Erich Hartman who downed appx. 369 aircraft flying
his ME109. Reds imprisoned him for 10 years.

 

What does it have to counter generation after generation of Jewish subversion?

Maybe you should read this, feel free to share your thoughts.

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...-used-get-us-fight-among-each-other-them.html

Jack

 

No, actually, I was enjoying reading the thoughts of others, including some resident Russians - until you and your wee pal started trolling the thread with your usual crap.

 

Lol...Spielberg would have access to the best 'witnesses'. He chose a bunch of fantasists and sick liars. Not our fault if these are the best he could find..

 

So you are saying that you have seen Weasel's tat, and that you can confirm he is who he says he is?

Laughibly, you think you know better than Miklos Gruner?

 

How many bad apples make an orchard?

 

Of course they do. It is evident to anyone that cares to observe, and is not afraid to simply state what they have observed.

Why else do you think they believe that the non Jew should not even utter the word 'Jew', unless of course in a deferential manner? You can't even use the word on Google, without a snivelling apology at the bottom, which Google gave to Foxman and the ADL. They have a mindset similar to that of someone with NPD. Several factors, biological and environmental, have probably lent itself to this.

There is also the sick obsession with their own demise, real or imagined. No one speaks that way, aside from them. They did it before Hiter came to power, they have done it since, they do it now. It is a sickness.

I did a piece recently on Foxman..http://www.politicalforum.com/political-opinions-beliefs/277792-they-say-fox-sly.html

 

Muslims belong to the native population of Russia, dude!

 

Jewish agents, infiltrators, agents, org's, and lobby groups, have conspired to use Muslim immigration into Europe, and probably Russia and the US too, as a means of turning one against the other, to cover for their own dark behaviours. After all, if they give the natives the distraction of mass immigration to be fussing over, then they are not paying attention to who made it possible, who really supports it, and how they cyncially use both the host nation, and the Muslim immigrants.

One has to ask, WTF is a an American Jew doing, one who appeared to try for and get Israeli citizenship, doing in Sweden, with a group like the one she has, what does she mean 'we would not survive' without yet more failed immigration policies, and what does she mean by 'Jews will be central to this', if that is not an admission, then I don't know what is.

[video=youtube;k2Vq_e2Z1ug]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Vq_e2Z1ug[/video]

Why doesn't she preach this crap in Israel?

 

Found out a bit more about this benign looking little women, with the revealing mouth..

Official “Paideia” biographical note:

Barbara Lerner Spectre is the Founding Director of Paideia, the European Institute of Jewish Studies in Sweden, an academic institute established in 2001 through a grant of the Swedish Government that serves as a resource and stimulus for the renewal of European Jewish culture. She was formerly on the faculty of the Shalom Hartman Institute of Jerusalem, where she taught Jewish Thought, the Melton Center of the Hebrew University, and Yellin College of Education. Her area of research is Models of Response to the Holocaust in Christian and Jewish Theology. Her publications include: “A Theology of Doubt” (Hebrew) and, together with Noam Zion of the Hartman Institute, the two volume: “A Different Light: The Hanukkah Book of Celebration”. She is the recipient of the 2007 Max Fisher Prize for Jewish Education in the Diaspora, and the ICRF “2008 Women in Action” award.

Funding

“Paideia” was started off with an approximately $5,000,000 grant from Swedish taxpayers, who are 99.99% Non-Jews.

It is connected with and partly funded by the EJF (European Jewish Fund), an outfit that operates from the Zionist Entity in Occupied Palestine, which has “Russian” oligarch Mikhail Friedman, of Alfa, as a governor. He also co-founded the Russian Jewish Congress. He is reported to be the third richest man in Russia. The board-members (or “Activists” as they call themselves) are a real pack of shady characters.
http://www.europeanjewishfund.org/index.php?/bios/en_bios

From the EJF website:

“The Fund is…focused on addressing such serious threats to Jewish life in Europe as assimilation, anti-Semitism and racism. Assimilation is without a doubt an existential threat to European Jewry that is becoming ever graver. The threat must be addressed in a serious manner with programs that are aimed at reconnecting people with Jewish life.”

(See, there goes that neurosis and morbid fascination again).


Amongst the EJF’s “Key Priorities”:

Let me guess...

Holocaust Remembrance

We are committed to promoting educational programmes that will ensure a living memory of the Holocaust. One of the EJF’s founders is the World Holocaust Forum Foundation, which holds the “Let My People Live!” international forums.
These top-tier international events accomplish important work toward preserving historical memory, and they also encourage the world community in its fight against xenophobia.

Preservation of historical memory is a continuous process requiring continuous effort.

 

Is it not natural that migrants assimilate with the host nation?

Zionists and National-Socialists agreed that this is not natural.

Zionists hailed the Nuremberg laws.

 

Well, since you could argue that society itself can be artifical, I am not sure if natural comes into it.

It's secondary, anyway - my point was that those that wrote the legislation, that allowed too much ill conceived immigration, did so with spite, imo. For one thing, it is then an easy means, esp in harder economic times, for the hosts and immigrants to have antipathy, it draws attention away from the really big criminals, and don't think those that socially engineer such things don't get a sick kick out of doing it, then sitting back and watching what happens.

 

I also believe that if you do the same things, or repeat similar group behaviours, then you are likely to incur the same results, thus, if what you did once created antipathy, and you try it again, another time, with another people, then while there may be some nunaced difference, you are still going to create antipathy toward you, just the same.

Because Zionist PR has told everyone 'All Jews are really Zionists', even if this is not true, this is the mantra that has been drummed out, by them, they have laid claim to all Jews, as if they were one group. This is bad news for everyone, but for Jews outwith Israel, who may even despise the state of Israel (they do exist), because, sadly, by way of it's antagonistic ways, put short, Zionism has almost parodied all the charachterics and steretypes that I thought Jews wanted to get away from, but apparently not, by their deeds and words, all they do is actually reinforce the view taken historically, that 'Jews are agitators', and 'Jews are subversive', or that 'Jews are greedy'.

With their each passing action, even today, what they 100% do is actually parody themselves, become the stereotype, if you will.

Even leaving the state of Israel aside, it would be safe to say that Jews are well over represented in Wall St, The World Bank, and Fed, and all of that shillery which goes with it. That is not to say it is ONLY Jews, just that they are absurdly over represented.

You will find that if these Jews have any national allegiance, it would probably be to Israel, since one finds it hard to imagine them having much empathy, or seeing the profits in peace, right?

So, what you will find, as time goes on, that if the consensus change against the comfortable postions Jews have had outwith Israel, for decades is not sparked by Israel per se, it will be sparked by the general feeling that Jews have too much influence in those other areas.

As people trust bland career politicians less, and who can blame them, what you could witness, and it probably would be organic more than timed/forced, is that those who may be said to be 'far right', and those who may be said to be 'left', could find themselves overlapping, with much the same nemesis as each other.

For instance, you may find that those that take it up as an Israel human rights issue, and are 'pro Palestine', tend to be liberal, or left leaning, I find.

They do not like Israel, but try very hard, sometimes too hard, to avoid the J word. Still, they do not like Israel and Zionism.

They tend to be non threatening, and believe that their aims can be achived through pacifist actions only, which is probably naive, but that tends to be where they are at.

They would then overlap with what may be called 'anti globalists', who would be less likely to discuss Israel per se, but more likely to point out the financianl shillery, for instance.

Their methods tend to be a bit more robust than the former, quite theatrical at times, but put together, this would already add up to a lot of people, whether they formally worked together, or agreed on anything else, they could not avoid having shared interests.

Then you would have what the media would demonise as 'the far right'. It is true that there are some (what I would call) 'Nazi theme' groups out there, the idiots in the US, that literally dress up like it is WW2 - they are a joke, and merely given publicity, as A) It feeds the short attention span of the viewer.

However, in their arrogance, they will not know, as a for instance, that National Socialism, or a form of, is not only in Germany, more visible than it has been for many years, but contrary to the concept of them being six skinheads chanting 'white power', they have actually reached out, with a level of success, to both students and what you may call the middle class. Naturally, because Germans are so restricted politically, it may be hard to determine numbers, since not everyone may want the public attention yet, but for all you may think that anything NS would not be tolerated in Germany, actually, with very visible displays, it seems to me that they are not as afraid to be seen, as you may believe.

Further, you cannot ignore Golden Dawn in Greece securing 10% of the vote, which is a substantial number of people. It may be easy for the media to cheaply point score against them, and some criticism may be valid of course, but given that the sweet suited 'democracies' of this world, have just spent the last few decades murdering more innocents in wars, than any other sort of Gov, then I don't think they are in a postion to take the moral high ground over GD, who have not done such things.

Things are going to get economically worse, because of shillery at the top, those that use national wealth, as if it is their own, and gamble it on crap.

Then people are told they have to suffer, and even that they are at fault.

Things are going to get worse with Israel, because you can see already, they are full of hate that the vote went against them.

Belligerent attitude, sense of entitlement, never happy with anything, even if democractically voted for, increasingly seen as isolated, subversive, greedy, inhumane, put all of that together, and I think, like before, Jews will get their wish and find their 'anti semitism' again, by provoking it!!

 

Jews continued to dominate some areas. Solzhenitsyn mentions the special role of Jews in Soviet psychiatry (e.g., Lif(*)(*)(*)(*)z and “his Jewish gang” at Kaluga Hospital) at a time when “healthy people” were being locked up in mental institutions. As is typical of his style, he notes a Jewish writer commenting that Russians were displacing Jews in the bureaucracy, but then points out that Russians were being displaced in the ethnic republics as well.

Jewish activists tended to exaggerate the plight of Jews. For example, Jews accused the government of enforcing the law on economic crimes in an anti-Jewish manner (“rampant anti-Semitism,” according to one writer). Solzhenitsyn pointing out that merely printing the names of defendants hardly counts as anti-Semitism: “to name them was equal to Jew-baiting.” The ethnic connections among defendants were typically ignored in the press.


Jewish power in the USSR was linked to their power in the West. When Jews were being accused of economic crimes, “the entire Western media interpreted this as a brutal campaign against Jews, the humiliation and isolation of the entire people; Bertrand Russell sent a letter of protest to Khrushchev and got a personal response from the Soviet leader.” This campaign was effective because the government became reluctant to prosecute Jewish economic criminals. The Western media continued to ignore issues like the millions of deaths during forced collectivization while “official Soviet anti-Semitism” came to be seen as a critical issue. Similarly, an article on the Jews who were murdered in 1937–1938 and 1948–1952 in a Jewish newspaper in France resulted in worldwide condemnation of the USSR among leftists.

Jews retained their powerful sense of being Jewish: “Jewish identity was never subdued during the entire Soviet period. In 1966 the official mouthpiece Sovetish Heymland claimed that ‘even assimilated Russian-speaking Jews still retain their unique character, distinct from that of any other segment of the population.’ Not to mention the Jews of Odessa, Kiev, and Kharkov, who “sometimes were even snooty about their Jewishness — to the extent that they did not want to befriend a goy.”

Jews who fancied themselves assimilated engaged in self-deception. He quotes a scientist who rejected “any nationalism” but then it dawned on him that all his friends were Jews. Even non-religious Jews defended the idea of “racial purity.” Other Jews, like Natan Sharansky, suddenly realized that they were very different from non-Jews, especially after the 1967 Six-Day War. “I suddenly realized an obvious difference between myself and non-Jews around me ... a kind of a sense of the fundamental difference between my Jewish consciousness and the national consciousness of the Russians.” They then consciously realized what had only been implicit —that they had much stronger ties to the Jewish people as an international entity than to Russia and the Russians. Solzhenitsyn quotes a Jew: “The Jews felt free from obligations [to the Russians] at all sharp turns of Russian history,” and comments, “Fair enough. One can only hope for all Russian Jews to get such clarity and acknowledge this dilemma.”

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-Solzhenitsyn-Chap23.html