Nearly 50% of participants in 'Monkeypox in women' study were biological men

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  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Funny how you are unwilling to allow native Americans to speak for themselves about their own history and insist on white dudes having to vouch for them instead. But, yes, Europeans did know about them and write about them, collectively referring to them as berdache.
     
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    Written language is a thing. Relying on the word of 21st century Native American trans activists on what 18th century Native Americans were doing is not evidence of anything other than a political agenda. If the Europeans saw cross dressing Native Americans, you can be damn sure they would write about it. After all, that is how we know that some practiced human sacrifice, cannibalism, etc... because Europeans WROTE about it. Relying on the word of somebody who was not alive at the time is worse than useless. This is as insipid as asking a modern Italian about real Roman history instead of reading what the ancient Romans WROTE.
     
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    They DID write about it. Plus we have modern examples.
     
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    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ There you go again ... mixing facts with "science " . :no:
     
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    Excellent, provide a written source pre-20th century and you win. I certainly have never seen one. I suspect that is going to be a hard slog for you...

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    Since the Native North Americans didn't have a written language maybe you could provide a Native American source that has an oral history of transgender Native Americans.
     
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    Exactly.

    This should be interesting.

    My guess is that the contributions will suddenly decrease.
     
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  8. James California

    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ What is she becomes "non-binary " .. ?

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    " Your lady wife how feels like a man ? That's non-binary. Perfectly normal. "
     
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    This is seriously your first time hearing about berdache? Seriously. If that's the case, then yes, catching you up on the basic homework that you should have done already before making your claim will be quite the slog.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am not really sure of your point — if something develops independently across time and culture that would indicate it is a potentially an innate characteristic.

    Native Americans were just one example
    Sure: the original word is Ojibwe

    Europeans targeted Two-Spirit people almost immediately. Starting with the Spanish in the early 16th century, Two-Spirit people were targeted with labels like “sodomite,” “hermaphrodite,” “berdache” — a term with Arabic roots that described a “slave” or a boy kept for pederastic purposes — and more. [VCU.edu]​

    Here are two additional sources for you to not read:
    https://www.jstor.org/stable/24474873

    https://www.theindigenousfoundation.org/articles/the-history-of-two-spirit-folks

    Let me guess, not as valid as your YouTube video?
     
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    Oh no we've heard that misrepresented.

    http://plainshumanities.unl.edu/encyclopedia/doc/egp.gen.004

    The two most common reasons cited for individuals becoming berdaches were childhood preference for work of the other sex and/or certain dreams or visions.

    They may have been homosexual or males that enjoyed knitting, but they weren't running around claiming men could get pregnant.

    This is just modern leftists attempting to claim effeminate men and masculine women were "transgender".

    Got any examples of Native Americans chopping off their own breasts and penises?

    In your defense, it could also be applied to those actually born intersex, which is a real thing. A genetic abnormality. Not a mental illness.
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why does my post bother you? Is it because being a man or a woman is not a spectrum but a scientific really?

    In terms of being an obedient follower of the party beliefs, people actually overlooked and ignored the reality of math when they were told we could subsidize the healthcare of 45 million people which would result in better care and cheaper costs. A few people who weren’t completely brainwashed did finally admit to the lie only to then try to justify what they voted for.

    If a person can deny math and believe what they’re told to believe then they can obediently deny the reality of anything, man = woman.
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I’m here, I’ve just been insanely busy for the last few days.
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And because of that global warming came into being.
     
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    That just goes to show that we live in barbaric times. I wonder how the future will judge this?
     
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    Gay is not transgender. Hermaphrodites are not transgender.

    You got any examples of Native Americans removing sex organs and saying they could change their biology?
     
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    ROFLMAO..... no no no, here is what I consider evidence. On March 15, 1493, Christopher Columbus wrote a letter to King Ferninand which contained this passage:
    Traceable, we know Columbus was there, and we have a copy of the document. This is evidence. Now all you have to do is provide the name of the European who observed cross-dressing natives, when/where he observed it and when he wrote it down. Not a bunch of jibberish from critical theorists that lacks any hard and verifiable evidence to back the claims. I don't give a damn what critical theorists write down, they don't do science, they do civilization destruction. I am very interested in what Europeans wrote down before critical theorists existed.

    A single cite will do. A single solitary cite from a European. If there was one, I would have heard of it by now because the alphabet mafia would have published it widely. It would be ubiquitous. We don't have that, we have bare-assed assertions backed with NO written historical archives. This is what you will settle for when you want something to be true. I see the same thing when I see blacks assert that there were black British kings and queens or that Blacks are the real Jews. This is the kind of stuff that passes for academic learning in the grievance studies. Shine a light on it and it falls completely apart.
     
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    In what world does non-binary trans that's not trans.

    Trans is a person who's born male it was just to identify as a woman or a person who's born female and identifies as a man.
     
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    Will not ask this question how many trans men do you think it put in male prisons?
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just a little note here, nothing critical or sarcastic about your post. That we can’t refer to a man who thinks he’s women as just a woman and instead instead call him a trans woman just goes to show he’s not fully considered to be woman, it’s like having an asterisk next to his name.
     
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    I like how they take two separate graphs of masculine and feminine traits of men and women and push them together to pretend if you are a man that is feminine enough, *poof*, you're a woman now.
     
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    Rain dancing and the wider culture to make it rain was not unique to one particular Native American tribe; rain dancing existed among the Pueblo, Navajo, Hopi, and Mojave tribes. Furthermore, rain dancing was not unique to Native Americans; in fact, tribes in Ethiopia, and other parts of the world, also rain-danced. So, is rain dancing an innate characteristic? If so, does that give it any scientific validity? Native Americans also dressed in animal parts. Is that evidence for transpecieism?

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    I would be loathe the use the "trans" appellation, and I do not use the ridiculous made up fanatsy "transgender" because no such thing exist i.e. no one has the ability to change their chromosomes. I will use the "trans" term as to me it is the shortening of "transvestite", which is what they are. Another thing... an actual transvestite was less that .01% of the population until the loony left made it their latest victimhood class.
     
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    Not MY “feelings” although I did note the attempted personal attack

    Next time please read the links to the science that I posted and you might learn that not every individual is born with clear differentiation - there is homosexuality among animals as well

    Take for example one of the cases cited in one of the links - a woman, who found during routine amniocentesis (for pregnancy) that she had both cells carrying xx chromosomes and Xy chromosomes. Turned out she was a chimera - in utero there was originally two fertilised eggs that fused to become one person
     
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    It DOESN’T??
    What about the case cited above? Or since the manifestation your sexual attributes is reliant not just on chromosomes but on 26 different genes - then what about those who fall into the categories such as micro penis listed below?
    • Full-size penis
    • Small penis
    • Micro-penis
    • Clitoromegaly, also called a “Pseudopenis”
    • Enlarged clitoris
    • Standard-sized clitoris
    https://cadehildreth.com/gender-spectrum/

    https://dnascience.plos.org/2020/01...der-identity-genomics-counter-discrimination/
     

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