Netanyahu: Palestinian mufti, not Hitler, wanted to exterminate Jews

They all have agendas. You are just filtering those who have a similar agenda than yours and dismiss the rest as being paid shills. Other do the reverse. In the end you're still playing their game.

 

Only because they hid the truth of their dealing well. You just don't know what they really did to stay in power yet. The dumb politician are easy to spot. The intelligent deceivers in politic are harder to spot. Sometime you don't even get to know the truth until years after their death.

 

You are confusing people who share your radical anti-western/american/israel views with honesty and integrity. People like George Galloway who preach to the Islamonazi segment of the British society are lying despicable scumbags.....well and your hero honest public servants of course.

 

I bet its as good as yours. What is a SABRA. Mostly what they did was translate ancient texts to Arabic. Are you denying that many were persecuted ?

 

Im simply stating Jews are better off here than they were in Spain under Muslim rule.

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2nd class according to the Koran

Are you denying many were persecuted under their rule as well? That Muslims were not better off ?

 

Firstly, this discussion isn't about objectivity. Its about what was or was not reported. that is an editorial decision, all too often made for the wrong reasons these days. (ratings, sales, pandering to the target audience, etc)

Imagine a head of state uttering a lie to demonize the enemy. I guess you haven't been paying much attention to the comments of world leaders over the course of your lifetime.

As to the point about revisionism, this is not revisionism. There was no claim or denial of Nazi action.
He was playing loose with the facts, although he did have a source for such a vicious lie.
OTOH, it is clear that the Mufti wanted the jews erased from Palestine and supported Hitler from day one.\

And no, a german uttering such a claim would not be arrested and jailed. In no way shape or form could his comment be construed as holocaust denial, which when publically stated is a crime in Germany. Might want to apprise yourself of the content and intent of that law.

As to your insinuation, you misinterpret the fact I don't think that his comment (lie) warrants much more than facepalm and eye roll, It sure as hell is a long long long way from denying that the holocaust ever took place, which is something I do care about and have confronted on more than one occasion over the past couple of decades.

 

No, they were not theocracies, they were feudal systems where the church was almost an equal power.

And theocracies do not necessarily exclude those of differing faith, they just render them second or even third class citizens.

 

You don't consider the general context. Jews are a tiny minority in comparison with Arabs and imagine with Muslims in general. Let's leave for a moment the fact that anyway Israel is still the Western country with the highest presence of Arab citizens [so Muslims], this is a collateral matter for this reasoning.

When a limited group is threatened it tends to be "one way" in the external communication, but note that there are Justice Courts in Israel dealing with their own extremists.

... or feels to be threatened, this is pivotal, until Arabs and Muslims who are against the existence of the State of Israel won't make it clear that they renounce to the armed fight. Pay attention, at political level you are entitled to sustain that a certain country should not exist or to be modified, but you have anyway to respect the sovereignty of that country and to follow democratic and diplomatic ways to eventually obtain something.

I can mention the Austrians who want South Tirol to go back from Italy to Austria, the Spaniards in Catalonia who want that region to leave Spain, the political movement in Northern Italy who would divide Italy ... and so on ...

The point in politics is never "WHAT", but "HOW".

Then, if we come to personal persuasions, I consider already wrong the idea that Israel should not exist, but until it's an idea, I discuss it. When this idea becomes the ideological support for violent illegal activities [in a word, terrorism] at political level there should be a clear disengagement from ideas and actions [this is why, for example, I don't accept that Palestinians allowed an organization like Hamas to take part to their elections, in Italy such an organization with a statute substantially calling for the deletion of a sovereign country would have never been allowed to take part to general elections].

 

How ? there is no connection, that's YOUR doing for a political purpose right here.

He didnt, he blamed the Mufti as much as Hitler - which is still dumb but its certainly not the crap you wrote above.

The closest thing to truth you wrote yet, yes its for a political purpose and no the Pal oppression is mainly by their own hands.

 

The Palestinian cause is the last remaining part of the Nazi Axis. It's been clear as mud to anyone with any knowledge of history and an unbiased view of the events on the ground. They need to lay down their vendetta and join Israel and prosper, or move to Syria or Egypt if they cannot get over the victim mentality they themselves have manufactured. The Israeli's could have wiped out Gaza and the West Bank many times over, and the Israeli's even gave land to the Palestinian's in exchange for peace - but the Palestinian cause wants nothing more then the destruction of Israel and Israeli's. The fault lays at their feet and the weak ignorant people in the West who support the Palestinian's need to grow up and stop being fooled by the misinformation coming out of the Palestinian sources. It's bad for your health to have such delusions and support each other in building them up - its how wars start. Idiot brainwashed people build up a 'side' to the extent it defines who they are and then associate their own existence to the success or failure of the cause. Grow up folks, lifes too short to be a tool of militant Palestinians just because you see a biased piece of the horror of conflict. They know you are soft and are manipulating your softness. You think its a strength, but living in the West is a different set of values about those things. You need to seek out the stuff you do not see to understand the real picture.

 

You hyperbole this for a political reason , Bibi blamed the Mufti for sugesting death as a solution, that's not close to say the Holocaust was made up or was supported by other Jews, that's extremly fundamental.

 

If you took the time to go throu Israeli media you wouldnt be that extreme to begin with.

When you cities get bombed I want to see how many noble Englishmen will support war, then youll be able to patronize us, till then you are shooting blanks.

 

I was reading some stuff on this last night. While of course Jews are not responsible for the holocaust - in a way what you are suggesting Trout was saying is similar to the lies which Netanyahu said so both have the same credibility.

The Mufti from what I have read went to see Hitler just to get him to stop the Transfer agreement leading to more Jews coming to Palestine. If the Mufti's visit to Hitler was the cause of the holocaust - which by the way it was not, the holocaust had started months before but if Netanyahu is arguing that the Mufti's one visit to Hitler was the reason for the Holocaust then it stands as reason that the reason for the holocaust was indeed Zionists and their Transfer agreement which went against all Jews in the world and which according to Netanyahu is by the Mufti visiting Hitler to try and get it stopped the reason for the holocaust.

 

It does amuse me when the blatantly ignorant and infantilised instruct actual adults to grow up.

10/10.

 

Jamie Stern-Weiner on Bibi The Clown:

“If Benjamin Netanyahu hadn’t gone into politics he’d be on Broadway, hamming it up as a pantomime villain. Israel’s hawkish prime minister is theatrically obnoxious to the point where even Israel’s staunchest allies in the American Jewish community are urging him to tone it down. He’s the kind of guy who doesn’t just show up to your house uninvited but brings along his dirty laundry, empties your fridge, urinates in the sink and then abruptly storms out, complaining about poor service”.

 

The transfer agreement was signed in 1933, long before the Holocaust, it was around money, Zionists paid to save Jews - they gained ppl but still saved Jews from persecutions that already started, the Jews wanted to leave but couldnt due to the law against taking money out of Germany that preceeded the Nazis.

If the Jews were happy in Germany - they wouldnt leave anywhere let alone a sandbox in the ME.
The Nazi ideolgy about the master race and Jews was running regardless of Zionists and any transfer agreement
To link the two, to accuse the Zionists in any way of the Holocaust is a cruel joke, the situation existed with or without them, they wanted Jews and Hitler wanted to get rid of them, fact is he murdered them without any agreement so the few the Zionists managed to save were truely lucky.

Now if the Mufti told Hitler to kill teh Jews instead of allowing them to migrate to Israel - doesnt make him a saint, but its dumb to expect the Palestinians to understand the Zionists and condem the Mufti or that the Mufti could influence Hitler.

Bibi used it for a political reason and the forced accusation on Zionists = Nazis because for a brief moment in time they tried to help Jews immigrate is also for an Arab political reason. I see the BS from my leaders - do you see the BS in yours ?

 

Not a single Palestinian fought with the Axis.. and every Arab state had signed on with the Allies by 1939. Have you ever made a comparison between Nazism and Zionism?

 

Exactly, because the Germans did not make it down or across to Palestine. The Palestinians fought the British though on their own despite this... this makes them part of the Axis, even if they did not fight 'with' the Axis. Zionism is a minor problem compared to the Palestinian agenda and fueled by the Palestinians inability to accept a two state solution - the Palestinians just want Israel gone, which alone makes them at fault and explains their behaviour for the last 6-8 decades.

There is no denying the Palestinian agenda become integrated with the German war effort. It just did not materialize as the Palestinians wanted because the Germans could not make it across North Africa or get past Greece, thanks to the Commonwealth and US forces. The fact that the Palestinian agenda is still ongoing is my point, that it is the last remnant of World War 2.... only left to happen because France was trying to be serve its own interests in the region by letting him out of prison and escaping war crimes. Israel should have finished the job when they had the chances they did in the 20th century, they keep giving to the Palestinians to try and enable a 2 state peaceful outcome but the Palestinians never wanted it, and never will.

 

Most Jews were not Zionists at all from what I've read..

 

The Turks were neutral during WW2.. but they certainly sheltered many European Jews. .. artists, musicians, writers and such.

The Zionists killed over 500 British peacekeepers .. and blew up the SS Patria.. Who were these Palestinians who fought the British and when did they fight the British?

 

It helps to understand Netanyahu via his father's employer and friend, Jabotinsky. Excerpt from Jabotinsky's book The Iron Wall:

Bibi The Clown merely updated all of this with modern propaganda courtesy of Goebbels. Zionism always was an admirer of brute force and the Nazis did indeed provide a useful addition to the map. Or maybe all of it.

Funny how ugly statements tend to reveal hidden realities, eh, Bibi The Clown.

Ponder upon this, too:

Bibi The Clown asserts the Mufti said to Adolf 'burn them or they'll come here'. Where and what would this 'here' be, given that this alleged conversation took place before the creation of Israel?

 

Jabotinsky? Holy cats... No wonder Bibi is such a belligerent ass.

 

You dont need to be a Zionist to escape the Nazis

 

Show me a source for that number you say Jews killed please, the Arab Pal killed Britis about the same time the Zionist gangs did, during the mandate, it started in the 1920's, the Jews volenteered to the Brit army and fought in the Greek Isles as Im sure you know. some gangs fought the Brits after the war when they banned Jewish immigration.