Netanyahu steps up appeal to French Jews after attacks

Thank you for your answers.

 

I am going to answer your questions keeping in mind I suggest you go find these answers out yourself rather than ask others particularly Ronstar who has his own anti Israeli agenda.

I will try answer your questions with no references to politics.

In regards to1, no one is pure anything. That is impossible. When people get too "pure" they would die off from beingt o inbred-genetics is such in that if you don't keep mixing the gene pool its becoming too pure would kill you off, so no semitics are not pure anything.

The definition of a semite can be found in any dictionary. It is true there have been genetic studies tracing back both certain Jews and people called Arabs today to blood types known as semites.

In regards to 2, race as you mix it up is not a genetic thing. When we call people black, white, yellow, negroid, caucasian, mongoloid, all that is meaningless. Those were terms created when we did not understand genetics to describe secondary physical characteristics such as nose shape, skin colour, hair texture. Those kinds of characteristics mean nothing to science.

A supposed black African coal black with a broad nose and curly hair could have more in common genetically with a blue eyed, blonde haired fair skinned Swede than he does a fellow African. So all those secondary characteristics mean nothing.

That said both Jews and Muslims cover every range of secondary characteristic from dark black on white side to pink albino white on the other. In that sense both are of all those old antiquated race expressions.

In regards to 3, your comment "looks like" is a subjective one. The fact someone "looks like" something to you does not define their blood type or genetic structure, just your subjective predisposed bias to what you think they look like. Many Jews and Muslims do not look like Arabs or Jews. Sorry to burst your bubble their skin may ntpo be dark, they mauy not have big hook noses, thick lips and dark hair. They can be blonde and aryan looking. The red haired gene in fact comes from semites not the Irish or Vikings so do freckles.

In regards to 4, you've done nothing wrong. All of us have minds that determine and categorize what otherwise seems unintelligible or chaotic by engaging in stereotypes placing people in categories based on what we think looks the same. You have done nothing wrong. What you have done is misleading in terms of genetics and not helpful in that sense in actually defining genetic traits of Jews and Muslism, but its not wrong. A white person when they step out of a plane in Tokyo think all Japanese people look the same. Then after a period of time they start to slowly notice differences and then within years no Japanese look too much the same. Likewise in reverse. Its an illusion caused by looking outside your own gene pool or population that you are used to living with.

In regards to 5, I personally think you are dead on. I think we were talking about tribes as all the people were probaly related through rape from wars and inter-tribal marriages.

In regards to 6, you again are mistaken. The aboriginal peoples actually had many different kinds of features. The aboriginals of the North, East, South, West and inbetween had huge variations in bone structure, skin colour, weight, height, bone density, jaw structure, eye colour, nose shape and so on. All that is known is that all aboriginals can probably be traced back to people who travelled across the ice from Russia and to Russia from the Mongolian planes. Scientists say that because they appear to have the same defective or missing enzyme that does not break down alcohol in many (but not all).

You have to remember aboriginal peoples did inter-mix with whites, i.e., were raped by the Spanish, voluntarily had sex with the French, raped and sometimes voluntarily had sex with the British and Americans and so on and some aboriginals then mixed with African slaves, Asian slaves. All I can tell you is they were not inbred. They actually were quite in touch with the concept of incest and knew if you did not bring in people from other tribes your people would get sickly and full of deformities or go insane and die. They knew that from being in touch with the rules of nature and observing animals and how horses for example could be bred.

Finally Israelites and the peoples of the Arabian peninsula who were called Arabs for short could have been semites yes.

The term semite could apply to members of of a number of peoples of ancient southwestern Asia including the Akkadians, Phoenicians, Hebrews, and Arabs and then of course their descendants.

Semite comes from the Hebrew word Shem.

When the term is used as anti-semitism its used to describe anti Jewish beliefs. Muslims prefer to differentiate discrimination against them with the word Islama or Islamophobia today.

The word Arab is also confusing. It can refer to only Muslims of the Arabian peninsula but it technically includes non Muslims who lived in the Arabian peninsula as well and of course the descendants.

What we today call Arab, some Arabs argue should only be used to describe the Beduins with all other Arabs really not that kind of Arab.

The non Beduin Arabs embraced the word Arab and expanded it past just descendants of people of the Arabian peninsula through the pan Arab movement of Gamel Nasser where he changed the meaning of the word Arab to refer to anyone who spoke Arabic, was Muslim, and was dedicated to ridding the middle East of Israel and was a citizen of an Arab League nation.

Technically however Jews born from Jews descended from Arab peninsula Jews and who at one point lived in the Muslim Middle East still are Arab Jews or what is called Mitrahi or Tsfardic Jews because Arabic is till a primary language for them and they share many cultural values with Arab Muslims, more so than say non Arab Jews like me who are descended from European Jews who moved there from the Middle East. We are called Ashkenazi. Our genetic trait is the same as Mitzrahi or Arab Jews or Arabs from the Middle East but our culture and languages are different.

Felashie Jews of Ethopia who to you would look like a kind of black Jew with distinct features different to other blacks except Ethiopian Christians, are descended from one of the tribes of Israel that are believed to have wandered into Ethipia and this is why the late King of Ethiopia had many symbols referring to the Lion of Judah and being a lost tribe of Israel.

There are very dark black Jews in Africa, Jews in China, India, and everywhere else. When Marco Polo travelled the world he was Jewish, and left synagogues in China and India.

 

Even if they weren't Arabs, they were still the people who had always lived in Palestine.

 

False. North, central, and south American tribes have visibly distinct traits that differentiate their appearances from one another. It gets harder when trying to distinguish between mestizos, but even there you can learn to tell Aztec influences from Toltecs and the like; Guatamalan mestizos for instance can generally be distinguished from mestizos from northern Mexico more often than not. Eskimo, Pacific Northwest tribes, southwesterns, etc. don't look much like Iroquios or Souix, and neither do southestern tribes, though they're more similar than others.

 

That is how I see it. According to Dutch, the Australians are now seeing what they did in their settler/replacement colonisation

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=391403&p=1064637719#post1064637719

Though in his quote he left out the bolded part

and

article

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/jul/01/invasion-australia-forbidden-word-aboriginal

Of course Israel, just like them, is settler colonisation intent on replacing the indigenous population. She becomes more arrogant by the day of her intent to continue this with no shame. Her future children will need to bare that shame. That is the legacy she is leaving them.

 

I knew of these. There is a concern about antisemitism in France but not regular killings.

 

The anti islam extremists of whom Wilders is one are very pro Israel. He himself over the top pro Israel and no doubt real. However within the anti islam extremists are also neo nazis.

Israel herself is pretty much a far right country now and is visited by far right parties

http://azvsas.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/neo-nazis-welcomed-to-israel-by-far.html

There also is an interest in many of the Israel supporting anti islam extremists to make all Jews leave for Israel, hence their hope is to rid Europe of both Jews and Muslims. Unfortunately I suspect Israel would support this.

 

Netanyahu of course came to solidarity march, exploiting the situation for political reasons even though he was asked not to come

The Telegraph writes more on this

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ver-appearance-at-Paris-solidarity-march.html

 

You diminish the significance of casual anti-semite attacks that makes life very hard for Jews, one fear every day going out his door step not just from being killed but being spet on near his kids or slured etc', I wouldnt want to live in a place like that no matter how beutiful it is, I rather serve the army of my country.

 

I did nothing of the sort.

 

Well we have already had someone on here declaring that there are regular killings of Jews in France - something of which there is zero evidence and now you are claiming they all fear leaving their homes and are regularly spat on in France

You are making serious accusations for which I do not think there is any evidence. Perhaps you would like to show the evidence for your accusations and your believe that it was right for Netanyahu to go to a rally he was particularly asked not to attend because the issue was unifying and not dividing and instead going and using it as a political platform to ask French Jews to leave for Israel an Ethnic Nationalist state currently involved in settler colonisation of another people's land who only this summer killed over 2000 of these people most of them innocent civilians and a quarter children. Never mind the thousand upon thousand of injured and maimed with again around a quarter children.

Here is what the article suggested

that of course you ignored.

 

Regularly get varius offences in France and Europe, taht's not me saying, that's what the immogrants say, the numbers talk for themselves, from 2006-2012 we had about 2000 immigrants a year from France, once anisematism increased and Jews got more and more attacks these numbers tripeled, in the last Paris attack some of them were interviewed on TV calling their families to come to Israel because its the only safe place for them, they told how they couldnt wear the Star of David and had to replace it with wnother less common Jewish symbol that the..........."critics" dont recognize yet. statistics and testimony are my reasons.

Evidance for the increase of antisematism in Europe ?

I didnt want him to attend either but screw the French request, I wouyld drive him there myself if I knew that in advance, he is the PM and evidently also reprisent the Jewish angle, judging by the warm welcome he got there.

Yes, he has a human relations problem, but Hollad could suck it up like we did in their one sided support of the 2 year state nonsense, we are all big boys.

What does Hamas death wish got to do with the French Rally ?

I ignored because I wrote my opinion on that at least twice before, I said immigration is an individual decision not a group decision, those that feel as French as ever should stay and fight for their rights in France, those that feel France spat them out or deaf to activly do something against the radicals - should leave - all are welcomed to Israel. I dont think Bibi was right to say that when he visited France.

 

so basically you are taking as evidence hearsay from anonymous people.

There is concern about antisemitism in France but not people regularly getting killed, afraid to leave their homes or getting regularly spat at on the street.

That is lies.

Talking of hats or jewellery, I noticed that French Jews were were not shy of waving Israeli flags - and that was the reason for one of the attacks during your attack on Gaza this summer.

There is always an increase in antisemitism everywhere in the world when Israel goes on one of her killing sprees. That is wrong but that is how it is and it certainly is not just by Muslims. Our Foreign Secretary warned Netanyahu that if he did not stop he was seriously concerned about the rise in antisemitism in the UK and made the point of saying all sections of society were expressing their horror at Israel's actions not just Muslims.

To be honest most people forget when it is over and the BBC does not report so people do not know what is going on. However it is thought that this increase in antisemitism is happening because Israel goes on another onslaught when people have not even got over their feelings from the last one.

Israel could help antsemitism around the world by acting in a decent manner.

On another level concerning Muslims. As I said to you in another post jfjfp have been working with British Muslims and find all but the most fringe elements are open to them, friendly towards them once they realise the good work they are doing to try and get justice for the Palestinians and once they see this even willing to accept the holocaust. So that is one way in which work can be done with our Muslim communities in which they can understand that Israel does not stand for all Jews.

Within the rest of the population people are also looking at whether the current calling of antisemitism in respect of Israel's behaviour is appropriate and the problem when Jews noticeable stand by Israel during her worst excesses - as this gives some people the idea that all Jews go along with this. People were certainly in the Summer looking for a fresh way to define this so that these issues would stop creating difficulties which again with the UK is usually when Israel is on the attack.

We need hence probably to redefine antisemitism as part of addressing it but the important point is, European Jews, even if their parents came from Morocco are now Europeans and it is here that such issues should be dealt with.

I heard on the march several jews and muslims suggesting they could now work together and help each other and just like in the UK they could begin to build on that and change things.

As Rivlin, the Israeli president, said

And to come to a rally which he was specifically asked not to come to because the interest was in uniting not dividing and then to work on dividing was bad manners by Netanyahu at best and possibly more trouble making. He should as was suggesting be doing all he can to stop antsemitism in France.

You are talking double dutch. You didn't want him to go and you would drive him yourself. France was dealing with the after effect of a terrorist attack and all you can say is 'screw the French'. Clearly Netanyahu did not come with a unifying spirit and so should have stayed away as asked.

How sick is that. There was a time I thought possibly you were a moderate. Now here you are blaming Hamas and the innocent civilians of Gaza for Israels weapons and soldiers killing them.

Your opinion though is not based on reality. You are saying things as if it was.

 

OK, maybe the immigrants lied, perhaps we dont have a huge increase in immigration from France to Israel.

Well we see the horrors of terror as well and that's what we try to fight, I assure you no soldier wanted to go in Gaza but they did because we had no other choice, I know it raises antisematism but I dont know of any other solution, there will be more battles ahead.

Its an "indecent" war Alexa.......we fight armed civilians some of them warmly welcome death as long as they get at least one Israeli, and like I said before - I never got a hint from Hamas side its willing to really talk peace.

Or right wingers for all Israel, yes that's the way to go,

Until one blows a checkpoint and we are back to hating each other...

Negotiations and living next to Israel means accepting defeat to most Muslims and that will never go IMO.

Well you need to accept many ppl dont share your and other's views on Palestinian terror in name of resistance, they have a right to protest against Israel and others have the right to protest against the Palestinian leadership.

Sure......unless they decide they had enough.

God's willing...

I heard what he said, I agree with the spirit but he said it wrong just to counter French anger, ofc Jews can immigrate to escape antisematism, it would be better thou if they came here because they really want to.

His face is not dividing, its annoying, yes he has bad manners, he feels he must strike back when hit, what can I say, Ill do my best to replace him.

But what I said about that in my last post still stands, they can suck it up.

It was rude to ask him not to come, so yes, screw that request, the Jews welcomed him and by the looks of it, it gave them comfort, no one will leave on account of him or his visit, its very serious buisness to immigrate with your entire family.

You annoyed me sticking that in where there is no reason to so I annoyed you back, generally speaking I do blame Hamas leadership in death whishing and dragging the poor Gazans with them, I hope to God we never have to fight them again or harm innocents again, but should war break out again, that's how war in an urban area looks like. pray they wont shoot rockets at us again and stick to fighting soldiers or in the diplomatic arena.

There is no increase in immigration to Israel ?
I merely gave my opinion on the reasons to the fact there is.

 

You are the one trying porkies or propaganda if you prefer

http://www.oxfam.org/sites/www.oxfam.org/files/oxfam-oslo-20-factsheet.pdf

 

That's the spirit. Everything is forgiven

This Is Charlie Hebdo's Next Cover

On the cover: the Prophet Mohammed holding the now iconic "I Am Charlie" sign, with "All is forgiven" written in the background.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/defa...303/imageroot/2015/01/charlie hebdo cover.jpg


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-12/charlie-hebdos-next-cover

 

Excellent, so according to your definition any hostility or prejudice against Arabs is also anti-Semitism. Have you run out of feet to shoot yourself in yet?

 

You missed this from my post.....Antisemitism: hostility to or prejudice against Jews.

But don't take my word for it, look it up in a dictionary of the English language....any dictionary of any language. Duh. How do they teach you ppl in the UK nowadays cause the results are pathetic

 

Im sorry but most information in that report is on the difficulties the Palestinians face regardless of Oslo, there were settelments with water control before Oslo and immigration/natural growth is not against Oslo, it generally talks about the occupation and the Palestinians, area C is under Israeli control as well the ppl that live there. I agree its a Limbo for the Palestinians, one the right wingers would like to preserve and ppl like me want to advance toward indipendence if possible.

 

Wow... slander the PM of Israel? He was elected thus, he is the PM of all of Israel!!!

You do not belong to the LIKUD is a fact... you did not vote for Bibi, is another fact, so you think you have the right to call him lowly names? I wonder?

All of that will reflect on you when your party will lose in the election of March, what would you call him then?

Pssssssssssst... I am for <relocation> of the <ILLEGAL ARABS> not the Israel Arab citizens... do you want to call me names also?

 

I think he's an idiot...., he makes us look weak and scared in front of the world, he oils his own rich friends while we strain with daily living, he lies and try to scare us into voting for him, his party is nearly overun with extremists - even traditional Likud voters say that, he ONLY advances social laws when election is in sight, and he has absulutly no vision of the future regarding the Palestinians and on the other hand - wasnt that great war leader either, I think a secretary would do a better job than he did, but ill settle for Buji.

 

It is that part of democracy called freedom of speech. It can be found only in a small number of countries that one of the is Israel.

 

That's as empty as "stealing land" is, what does that mean? you want to annex the land and give them all equel citizenship and those that refuse - banished ? what's an "illegal Arab" ?

 

You have spoken to all the immigrants from France into Israel. You clearly have no idea how to access a situation. You talk to two or three French Jews and then come on this forum and declare that all Jews are terrified to leave their homes and are spat on whenever they go out.

You had no reason to go into Gaza. This was a set up. You wanted all members of Hamas killed and you are supposed to be moderate so I very much doubt that no soldier wanted to go in and I know for certain from the information given to the Russel Tribunal that many were absolutely itching and that serious war crimes were done.

For a start, start seeing them as human beings, put yourself into their situation. Start thinking of Justice. Check out and find that independent conflict workers who work with Hamas find they are capable of peace. Try and look at the other position. Your country is so far to the right now it would be hard for anyone to find it there. Dare to look at other writers.

They are wanting justice and freedom Gilos. Israel has left them with nothing to lose. I listened to them talking when they were being destroyed this summer. They said death would not be much worse than how we have to live. They hoped to at least be able to get Israel to come good on her 2012 cease fire which would have allowed them to start a little economic life and begin to get out of their prison. At the time people were saying if Israel does not agree with this we know her intention is to continue 'mowing the lawn'. Without giving them some ability to live your people have set what they intend and with your current government and to be frank they are all way to the right so probably them all, what is going to happen is more of this and at some point probably an absolute massacre and expulsion of the survivors to the Sinai. Israel wants this land back - probably because of the Gas and maybe some oil has been found there recently.

I am sure you know negotiations are a put on. That is why the Palestinians have gone to the UN and will eventually get sufficient world opinion to have effect.

are you meaning British Jews? Hardly any of them went out to support Israel this time. I think it was about 200 whereas at the first Intifada there were a lot more - not that they were necessary right but the current situation allows people to get a lot more information. I know your Nationality Law has been the last straw for many American Jews and Bennett's talk and admitting his intention is for the Palestinians crushed into the islands in the little bit of the West Bank he does not take will have no rights did not go down well with Israel's most loyal supporters in the US.

There has been massive propaganda particularly since 9/11 with criticism of Israel apparently being antisemitism but that is over - except some countries like Canada.

There has been massive pressure on Jews to support Israel or else be considered sick or self hating but that is beginning to lose it's power with reliable groups like jfjfp and Jewish Voice for Peace. You are losing the argument. I think it is only a matter of time before the US decides you cause more trouble than you give - regardless of your intel being good.

and now we are seeing threats on the lives of Israeli journalists for independently reporting

http://jfjfp.com/?p=67288

I have dealt with that above in part and of course living in a democracy they have the right to protest. It does though say you are supporting the massacre and some people get so inflamed they attack as I said and did not support.

However I had been thinking of mentioning this before with regard to France. Are you aware that the Jewish Defence League is causing a lot of problems there, For instance if you remember the first march, we heard reports that the marchers attacked a Synagogue and after that further marches were banned, but continued. This is not what happened. I saw film at the time of what happened and what happened was not that the Pro Palestinians attacked the Synagogue, instead it was that the Jewish Defence League came out of the mosque and started attacking the marchers and even worse they were protected by French police. On that video no shouts of Gas Jews were heard although we were told that was what they said. I don't believe the truth on this has ever been made public.

http://www.france24.com/en/20140729-calls-mount-ban-france-violent-jewish-defence-league/

I'd look for the video for you but I will save myself the bother as I know you cannot view them

I think they may have something to do with the antisemitism in France. They are considered a terrorist group in Israel are they not?

I disagree. French Jews are well aware they can move to Israel if they want. This was about uniting - not wanting to see more Synagogues and Mosques coming down, That is why he was not invited because it was known he could not do that. To be frank I do not think he knows how to say anything unifying and even if he did he would probably get hell back home.

I know you will. I just do not have confidence you have the option of a choice that will change things for the better.

Marie Le Penn was not invited either and she did not come. She was not invited because it was expected that she would use it as an anti Muslim platform and again the interest was on helping to unify after the terror of the week.

Well I thought of taking it out but for some reason I thought it should be in.

That is an avoidance of responsibility tactic encouraged by your media and most certainly by the IDF propaganda corps.

There is no way this is going to be avoided if you carry on on the course you are presently on. Unless the public get a feel for the Palestinians and a definite interest in peace, which is the opposite of what I am hearing, then it is going to happen again and it is going to get worse and it will continue probably until we probably will stop it with BDS or all the Palestinians including the Israeli citizen ones are gone - or some god awful other thing might stop it but the current interest of your government is that.

There is but that was not what we were talking about. There is concern about antisemitism in France. That needs to be begun to be understood where it is coming from so that appropriate methods can be put in to stop it. Unfortunately the possibility of Marie Le Penn being the next President and her party being the largest at the next elections does not look good. We will need to wait till the next polls to see which way these attacks and Hollande's dealing of them will go.

 

The possibility of Ms Marie Le Penn being the next President of France and her party being the largest at the next elections is the best possible thing for France. In a way moronic Sunni radical Muslims have done a huge favour to indigenous population of France. And the Jews have nothing to worry about. They will be much safer under Le Penn's government than any other neoliberal treacherous rubble.