New Biofuel Sources

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  1. montra

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    I didn't say it was possible, did I? I would also caution against saying it is not possible, however.

    Current nuclear power will have to suffice for now.
     
  2. Bishadi

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    people can refine themselves and 'screw' the monopoly.

    You like to be controlled by the 'invisible hand' but an American aint so weak.

    "we' have a 'right' to shut down corruption and if you read the rules behind that 'right' it is DIRECTLY to stop 'bad government'.


    if our governing idiots allow business (oil) and religion (zionism) to be what buys their seats, then know, who the monsters are that 'idiots' want to control the destiny (extinction).

    ie.... babylon the great, is the 'beast' of many heads (following the 'invisible hand')

    YOU, sir are an identifiable participant to what is 'ruining' mankind! Armed with 'capital' using a belief, that does not require personal responsibility, and boldly standing your ground as 'right'.


    aye....... 'the enemy' (selfish pride, bound to ignorance)


    Take it from the guy your theology warned you about, 'love' wins.
     
  3. PureRightie

    PureRightie Banned

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    Your posts are written in an extremely organized way that convey a very clear message.
     
  4. montra

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    I think proper introductions are in order.

    PureRightie, this is Bishadi, Bishadi, this is PureRighie.

    Ok, now you are free to continue your rants.

    Seriously, what is your answer or do you just enjoy bashing people?
     
  5. PureRightie

    PureRightie Banned

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    Who, me? I NEVER bash people or troll them. EVER.
     
  6. montra

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    No, Bishadi.
     
  7. PureRightie

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    ah. Well I still have never trolled in my entire life. Just wanted to make that clear!!!
     
  8. Bishadi

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    You may be able to organize as you are alive but what your posts represent, is full of garbage!

    I am certain, you know what 'garbage' is!?!
     
  9. Bishadi

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    it is what you have done, since coming aboard

    This is a political form 'science section'. It is on fueling sources, that 'americans' would like to talk about, not romney selling out to big oil.
     
  10. PureRightie

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    I thought that's what you guys wanted to see posted on the science section. Excuse me if I'm wrong.
     
  11. PureRightie

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    I thought that's what you guys wanted to see posted on the science section. Excuse me if I'm wrong.
     
  12. Indofred

    Indofred Banned at Members Request

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    Totally wrong.
    All it takes is the right push and oil prices are a serious push.
    I was using it for years. I bought rancid but unused veggie oils from take away suppliers.
    They couldn't sell it at normal prices so I got the stuff for a song.

    I reduced my fuel bills to half or better.

    Now, tell me, who exactly is stupid?
     
  13. PureRightie

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    You're just lucky. If everyone tried to do that, food prices would soar till everyone starved to death.
     
  14. bobgnote

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    Also for cultivation on semi-arable or even non-arable land, we are developing SWITCHGRASS, in the US, to be processed into ethanol, with ULTRASOUND:

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080109110629.htm

    http://www.switchgrass.nl/

    https://bioenergy.ornl.gov/papers/misc/switgrs.html

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5183608

    So GW Bush was promoting switchgrass, during his administration. I guess old President Obamney didn't copy those Republicans as much, relative to biofuels and the environment, but he sure can order death from above!

    Also, President Obamney smoked as much kine, as Washington or Jefferson, or almost as much.

    But could President Obamney lay off the inflated costs of healthcare and private insurance scams, on top of inflation, or just do single-payer government healthcare? NOOOOOO!

    And President Obamney squandered the Democratic majority in the US House, of 2008, by 2010.

    But did Mr.Obamney re-legalize marijuana or INDUSTRIAL HEMP, like Jimmy Carter seemed to often run by other Democrats, with no luck, at all? NOOOOOO!

    Hemp has been illegal, in the US, since FDR and the Democrats and whoever of 1938 sold out, to Andrew Mellon and W.R.Hearst, who had timber and fossil fuel interests, so the Hemp Stamp Tax Act of 1938 was passed, and FDR signed it, in 15 lousy minutes.

    When the HSTA was declared unconstitutional, two years after US peak oil production, in 1972, Nixon founded the DEA. Democrats have copied stonewalling, but they never got past Jimmy Carter's "maybe," about industrial hemp or legalizing marijuana, and presumably industrial hemp.

    That only lets us have a resource, which yields an estimated 25,000 market-leading products! That only swings a costly contraband item, with a massive enforcement-related carbon footprint, to a valuable resource, which improves the tax base, of any economy!

    Legalization of hemp should have happened, after the HSTA was suspended, for WWII, since hemp provided valuable war resources, since circumvented, by petroleum products or foreign out-sourcing. But nooooo! Hemp was made illegal, in the 1930s, just as a processing machine was introduced, which was profiled, in Popular Science.

    Hemp WAS about to become the #1 cash crop in the US and around the world. But then W.R. Hearst and other Heartland-types got up a reefer madness campaign, and the Democrats sold out, then and since. As for pubs, they like fossil fuels, which pollute, or nukes, which have cost over-runs in hundreds of millions, or lately, in many BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

    And who trusts any Republican fake-scientists, to keep media SAFE, which needs to be cleverly handled, not cunningly, which is a pub specialization, and then cleverly chilled, for 10,000 years, after it is de-commissioned, and you shouldn't just go touch this junk, even then?

    So Democrats and Republicans in the US and their ilk, around the world are calling shots, so gangs and cartels and turf are running in all directions.

    But if we get legal HEMP, we could have a resource, for food, fuels, building materials including indestructible plastic and light, termite-proof bricks, paper, rope, accessories, and a TAX BASE, instead of trouble, trouble, and MORE TROUBLE:

    http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/93095/H__Ford__amp__R__Diesel___Hemp_history/

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2008/jan/28/whyishempoffthebiofuelme

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp

    http://phys.org/news205599757.html

    http://www.thehia.org/faq7.html

    There's a crazy guy on the internet, with a page, which I left out, since he counsels to make biodiesel, by BUYING ethanol, on the market, to use, with your hemp seed oil, which is a food oil, superior to ANY OTHER FOOD OIL, in EFA content, including flax, fish, krill, etc.

    Like I said, hemp yields 25,000 products, so we need it, in crop rotation, since it leeches fields, which have been salted up, with too much fertilizer. Grow any CORN? Then you know about this.

    Farmers need to rotate hemp and switchgrass, over fields, in rotation, since hemp leeches pollution, and switchgrass covers. Of course, you can't find too many Democrats or Republicans who want to do more, than argue over subsidies or removal of subsidies, for crops, like CORN.

    Al Gore has a big old farm, but will he go for legal pot? Nope. He is for carbon credits, which is like playing with coupons and price hikes, for admission, to a pest-hole of a gay bath-house.

    Then along come the Republicans, and their fracking, which the bath-house Democrats allow, since frackers are like meth dealers, claiming their crank doesn't pass the HIV into a deadly AIDS epidemic, as fast as other speed does. Uh-huh! It seems D-rats and pubs are buddy-buddies.

    Also, ALGAE is starting up, in the US and around the world. We have our first algae farm, in New Mexico, and more:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algae_fuel

    http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/green-science/algae-biodiesel.htm

    JIMMY EARLE CARTER! Doink! Why don't the D-rats put him on 'roids, and get us a REAL President, any day now, instead of fluffing the pubs, by copying Obamneycare, in such a way, as to pass a lot of inflationary costs? Bill Clinton signed deregulation of energy, banks, and courts, and the D-rat faithful pay him like a Ho-daddy, for lectures and geeking. Go D-rats. Hippity-hop, for President. Whoop.

    Don't D-rats know doctors and lawyers have been SCAMMING, since somebody let all the grunts in creation into the US, to bubble up the real estate and private prisons? Let somebody OUT, D-rats!

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/kensilverstein/2012/05/20/will-algae-biofuels-hit-the-highway/

    http://www.businessinsider.com/how-algae-could-be-the-biofuel-of-the-future-2012-7?op=1

    http://www.oilgae.com/

    http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.co...o-show-off-algae-biofuel-research-project.php

    http://www.gizmag.com/algae-biomass-plant-brazil/23378/

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120403153602.htm

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080626145543.htm

    http://algae.ucsd.edu/

    http://www.triplepundit.com/2012/08/israel-algae-biofuel/

    Israel! That tiny, Zionist, fascist, racist hegemon, trying to start WWIII, while owning the US and all the politicians and media, therein? And the US guarantees its military AND its oil supply?

    Good on Israel, for getting to algae development. Now quit bulldozing and waving nukes.

    With the Aussie PONGAMIA TREE, US biofuels are moving right along, so IF we had legal hemp, already, since the 1930s, instead of years of gangland games, with drugs and alcohol, we'd have biofuels, ALREADY, since Henry Ford was making ethanol and plastic, out of HEMP, any time he was involved, in industry, so by the time he came out, with the Model T, 1908, his distributor caps were made of hemp plastic, and he intended his cars, to run on hemp-ethanol.

    This is similar, to Rudolph Diesel, who intended his engines to run on hemp. Diesel disappeared, at sea, under suspicious circumstances, kind of like how FDR sold out the hemp ban and then suppressed all intel or alerts, at Pearl, after moving the Pacific Fleet, from San Diego.

    Kind of like GW finding out how NYC would get attacked, so he suppressed intel sharing, by the FBI and CIA, so we ate 3400 dead, right away, and THEN GW lied, about how Saddam had WMDs, so he could get two wars going, including to privatize Iraq's oil.

    GW and GWH poppy bought big old ranch tracts, in Paraguay, above the Guarini Aquifer, 2005-6.

    But do we have legal BUSH, yet? Nah. We have RWNJ types, fluffed up, by Obamney's carbon trading nonsense.

    FYI: IF we had legal hemp AND subsidized biodiesel research, since the 1930s, we would NOT have an energy crisis, always jacking the price of everything else. Unlinked rants which project how much biodiesel we might might have a plain horse-crap. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH BIODIESEL WE GET OR HOW WE GET ALL OF IT. When you do garbage-in, you get garbage-out, since the US imposed Prohibition, to doom the world economy, but make things sweet, for timber and oil.

    But THEN, the US sold a hemp law, and now, the US promotes a drug war, by treaty and aid, which are inflationary, while 5% of the world's population houses 25% of the world's prisoners.

    Tell you WHAT! We can't afford lousy NUKES and lousy cost-overruns, going into 2013. Heard of 2013? That is when we lower our expectations, quite a lot. Heard of expectations? Not so great, for nuclear power, pronounced "nukuler," by RWNJ types, who want to hustle mo money, there.
     
  15. politicalcenter

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    Dude...I do grow a little corn and it would be a mistake to rotate with hemp when in reality you need to rotate with a legume to build the nitrogen in the soil to feed your next generation of corn.

    You see...a legume "fixes" nitrogen from the air and puts it into the soil.

    Leeching of the soil happens quite naturally and the real problem with fertilizer is the fact that it feeds the soil bacteria and destroys humus. When this happens more and more fertilizer has to be used to replace the natural slow release fertilizer in the soil. A plant does not know the difference between a man-made fertilizer and a natural one.

    The best thing farmers can do is replace as much organic matter back into the soil as possible. That is one of the "old ways" that work.

    Growing biodiesel on land that will not grow much of anything else is a good idea. Taking productive land to grow fuel is a bad idea IMHO.

    The problem with hemp...is that when you ingest it into your lungs....you THINK it solves all your problems.
     
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    You got to start somewhere - just because this is a new industry does not mean it does not have a future
     
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    It is USED oil - you know the stuff they are trying to throw away currently???
     
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    Lets think about this.... I have because I have been shoveling manure off and on all day. With long breaks from the heat.

    The average cow (i looked it up) produces between 120 and 150 pounds of manure a day.
    The cow is a major generator of greenhouse gasses. The manure produces methane.

    Why not capture the methane...burn it...and then burn the spent manure to generate electricity?
    They have power plants in Minnesota that run on turkey manure.

    We can eat the cow, drink the milk, generate power, and reduce greenhouse gasses. With something that we are going to use anyway.



    Or we could just burn the dry manure.
     
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    That's automatically impossible and infeasible because it's renewable and not Big Oil.
     
  20. Bowerbird

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    Or you could raise Kangaroos - they produce less waste - the gas they "emit" is nitrogen not methane and they have the lowest cholesterol meat on the market with the toughest leather per weight of any ruminant

    Milking and branding are a bit of a problem though.........................
     
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    You CAN run vehicles on methane
    http://www.cleanenergyawards.com/to...ts/nominee-detail/project/3/?cHash=f78916f845
    article-1300546-0AB15914000005DC-710_634x421.jpg
    But I sort of hope they do not catch on as I have visions of Hillbillly's and Boguns eating beans to "fuel" the "cars" - and I do NOT want to know how they would then refuel the tank on the car
     
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    The problem with kangaroos is the startup expense. I once thought about raising some wallabys to sell as pets but they are very difficult to get a hold of here in Bama.

    Another problem is no market for the meat. Pork, cattle, chickens and catfish have a good market.
     
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    No, YOU think it solves all YOUR problems. I don't smoke or deflect from tap-root issues or 25,000 product issues, to cause a resource to be smeared.

    Legumes have a replacement application, but if a field is to be leeched, when you expect enough water, for hemp, why do we have to suffer your deflection, of hemp's applications?

    Shovel some more manure, and smoke less.
     
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    We are selling more 'roo meat here and it is slowly gaining more acceptance - mind you our indigenous people have never stopped eating it - thank goodness as it is a very "heart smart" meat
     
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    I wouldn't know where to begin with a kangaroo. I don't know what they eat, how to contain them, laws regarding exotic animals (it is an exotic animal here) and I am too old to recover from being kicked by one.

    I would have to have them shipped clear across the globe.

    The American Bison is a "heart smart" meat but they tend to be mean...and real big. Crossties are the recomended fenceposts.
     

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