New Cold War? Iran Sends Warships to Gulf of Mexico ......

I see....so you take one incident as regularly?

And these were patrol boats not Ships which apparently wandered slightly over an unmarked border.

 

Uhm.....The Syrian National Council that the French stated were the legitimate government of Syria.

Oh and all of these others.




Opposition groups in Syria took a new turn in 2011 during the Syrian civil war as they united to form the Syrian National Council (SNC), which has received significant international support and recognition as a partner for dialogue. The Syrian National Council has been recognised or supported in some capacity by at least 17 member states of the United Nations, with three of those (France, United Kingdom and the United States) being permanent members of the Security Council.

A new opposition umbrella group — the National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces — was formed in November 2012 and has gained recognition as the "legitimate representative of the Syrian people" by the Cooperation Council for the Arab States of the Gulf (CCASG) and as a "representative of aspirations of Syrian people" by the Arab League.

The National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces is a coalition of opposition groups in the Syrian civil war. It formed on 11 November 2012 at a conference of opposition groups held in Doha, Qatar. It includes organisations such as the SNC. Islamic preacher Moaz al-Khatib serves as the president of the coalition, Riad Seif and Suheir Atassi were elected vice presidents. Mustafa Sabbagh is the coalition's secretary-general.

The Syrian National Council, a coalition of Syrian opposition groups based in Istanbul, formed in 2011 during the Syrian civil war. Key people include chairman as of 2013 George Sabra, and former chairmen Burhan Ghalioun and Abdulbaset Sieda.

Muslim Brotherhood: Islamist party founded in 1930. The brotherhood was behind the Islamic uprising in Syria between 1976 until 1982. The party is banned in Syria and membership became a capital offence in 1980. The régime of Bashar al Assad, and others[who?], have accused the Muslim Brotherhood of being key players in the Syrian uprising that escalated into a civil war. Other sources have described the group as having "risen from the ashes", "resurrected itself" to be a dominant force in the uprising. Current leader is Ali Sadreddine Al-Bayanouni.

Coalition of Secular and Democratic Syrians: nucleus of a Syrian secular and democratic opposition that appeared during the Syrian civil war. It came about through the union of a dozen Muslim and Christian, Arab and Kurd parties, who called the minorities of Syria to support the fight against the regime of Bashar al-Assad. The Coalition has also called for military intervention in Syria, under the form of a no-fly zone similar to that of Kosovo, with a safe zone and cities. The president of the coalition, who is also a member of the SNC, is Randa Kassis.

Damascus Declaration: Opposition bloc from 2005. Twelve members were sentenced to 2.5 years in prison in 2008. Syrian journalist and activist Michel Kilo launched the declaration, after the Syrian writer and thinker Abdulrazak Eid had written its first draft. Riad Seif, another democracy activist, became the first signatory. The "five small opposition groups" signing the declaration were the Arab nationalist National Democratic Rally.

the Kurdish Democratic Alliance
the Committees of Civil Society
the Kurdish Democratic Front

The Movement of the Future. The Movement for Justice and Development in Syria (MJD) also subscribes to the Damascus Declaration. In a series of splits 2007-2009, most members left the Damascus Declaration, leaving the MJD and SDPP (see below) as the only remaining factions of any consequence, along with a number of independents.

Syrian Democratic People's Party: A socialist party which played a "key role" in the creation of the SNC. The party's leader George Sabra (a secularist born to a Christian family) is the official spokesman of the SNC, and also ran for chairman.

Supreme Council of the Syrian Revolution: Syrian opposition group supporting the overthrow of Bashar al-Assad's government. It grants local opposition groups representation in its national organization.

Assyrian Democratic Organization: A party representing Assyrians in Syria and long repressed by the Assad regime, it has been a participant in opposition structures since the beginning of the conflict. Abdul-Ahad Astepho is a member of the SNC.

Syrian Turkmen Assembly: A recently formed assembly of Syrian Turkmens which constitutes a coalition of Turkmen parties and groups in Syria. It is against the partition of Syria after the collapse of Baath regime. The common decision of Syrian Turkmen Assembly is: "Regardless of any ethnic or religious identity, a future in which everybody can be able to live commonly under the identity of Syrian is targeted in the future of Syria."

Syrian Democratic Turkmen Movement: An opposition party of Syrian Turkmens, which was constituted in Istanbul on 21 March 2012. The leader of Syrian Democratic Turkmen Movement is Ziyad Hasan.

Syrian Turkmen National Bloc: An opposition party of Syrian Turkmens, which was founded in February 2012. The chairman of the political party is Yusuf Molla.

Local Coordination Committees of Syria: Network of local protest groups that organise and report on protests as part of the Syrian civil war, founded in 2011. As of August 2011, the network supported civil disobedience and opposed local armed resistance and international military intervention as methods of opposing the Syrian government. Key people are activists Razan Zaitouneh and Suhair al-Atassi.

Free Syrian Army & Higher Military Council: Paramilitary that has been active during the Syrian civil war. Composed mainly of defected Syrian Armed Forces personnel, its formation was announced on 29 July 2011 in a video released on the Internet by a uniformed group of deserters from the Syrian military who called upon members of the Syrian army to defect and join them. The leader of the group, who identified himself as Colonel Riad al-Asaad, announced that the Free Syrian Army would work with demonstrators to bring down the system, and declared that all security forces attacking civilians are justified targets. It has also been reported that many former Syrian Consulates are trying to band together a Free Syrian Navy from fishermen and defectors to secure the coast.

Al-Tawhid Brigade: an armed group of the Free Syrian Army active in the Battle of Aleppo.

Liwaa al-Umma: a paramilitary group fighting against the Syrian government in the Syrian civil war. The group was previously led by Mahdi Al-Harati, an Irish-Libyan who led Libyan rebel Tripoli Brigade during the Battle of Tripoli. In September 2012 it came under command of the Free Syrian Army.

Syrian Turkmen Brigades: An armed opposition structure of Syrian Turkmens fighting against Syrian Armed Forces. It is also the military wing of Syrian Turkmen Assembly. It is led by Colonel Muhammad Awad and Ali Basher.

Syrian opposition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Why would he need to be?

I am not Iranian yet I can see where they're coming from, politically speaking. They are notably accused of terrorism - by the most terrorist nations of the world, no less.

Iranians are not the ones who get off their way just to piss off others - to the contrary. Their input in Lebanon and Yemen is to defend people there, one from Zionist aggression, the other against Saudi one. They fought ISIL. They even collabate with the occident about their nuclear program.

I am all for an Iranian hegemony of some sort in the ME - especially the Shia part of it. It is a young, responsible power.

 

Perhaps you should look up details about who owns the Strait of Hormuz
in August 1989, Oman submitted declarations confirming its 1981 royal decree that only innocent passage is permitted through its territorial sea. The declarations further asserted that prior permission was required before foreign warships could pass through Omani territorial waters.[5] Upon signing the convention in December 1982, Iran entered a declaration stating “that only states parties to the Law of the Sea Convention shall be entitled to benefit from the contractual rights created therein”, including “the right of transit passage through straits used for international navigation”. In May 1993, Iran enacted a comprehensive law on maritime areas, several provisions of which conflict with UNCLOS provisions, including a requirement that warships, submarines, and nuclear-powered ships obtain permission before exercising innocent passage through Iran’s territorial waters.The United States does not recognize any of the claims by Oman and Iran and has contested each of them.[5]

 

That would be terrible.. You can't have a minority oppressing the majority.. That's what you had in Syria and Lebanon.. That's what is happening in Yemen.

 

That's funny MMC, but I needed a bit of humor this morning.

You the ultra-nationalist are using the French as an authority to invite us into a third, independent and recognized by the UN, country.

 

Lots of Sharks there.....

 

Looks like Oman changed their mind in 95.....What Happened? What didn't trust Iran or Iraq, huh?



Export of Persian Gulf Oil 1995

The weaker Arab countries, grouped together in the six-member Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC)--Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and United Arab Emirates (UAE)--rely on Western (mainly U.S.) military support to deter Iran and Iraq and to counter their military capability. Since the Gulf War, modernization of their military forces and equipment, greater U.S. military access to the region, and a significantly enhanced Western military presence in and near the Gulf have improved GCC security against external aggression. However, the GCC states on their own are no match for either of their two powerful neighbors. Only a sustained U.S. military presence in the Gulf can redress the inherent military asymmetry.....snip~

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/sa97/sa97ch7.htm

 

What..... I used the French since they led the way with their UN resolution with those other 17 UN countries. Whats funny was you not knowing what groups of the Syrian Rebels invited us in.

Did you forget it was the French and the Brits that made the play and didn't tell the US that they officialy recognized the SNC as the ruling government of Syria.

 

Point out in your link where Oman says that the US warships, submarines, and nuclear-powered ships no longer have to have permission to enter their waters

 

In Lebanon, Iran-backed Hizbollah abides by the electoral rules. And at 44%, Shias are not so much of a minority in Yemen, IMO.

Can it be more terrible than the air raids the Sauds are doing on civilian populations?

 

Okay...I guess to go with the thread title and where you have taken it, the United States should just declare everything for 1000 miles in every direction from it's coastline to be it's "Territorial Waters" and claim a few islands as well to expand it further. We could even grant Puerto Rico statehood and ask Cyprus if they want to join the party. The Gulf of Mexico might be tricky but we could give Mexico like 20 miles of water and call it a day.

 

What I know is that our activity in Syria is military aggression, just as our activity in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen and so many other places.

I also know that posters attempting to defend military aggression must first fool themselves. In the end, that is about all they accomplish.

 

Oh the US is above that sort of thing, huh? I wouldn't know all about those Trump supporters and what they think with Iran or N Korea. As I rarely hear them talk about either one.

So your paint brush missed that paint can.

You will need to do better when trying to figure out who is in Trumps base. As just playing leftist and throwing **** out there hoping it can stick to the wall. Really isn't knowing who your enemies or allies are. Nor is it a sound strategy.

 

Not all Shia are Houthi.

Yemen profile - Timeline - BBC News

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14704951
1918 - Ottoman empire dissolves, North Yemen gains independence and is ruled by Imam Yahya. ... 1962 - Imam Ahmad dies, succeeded by his son but army officers seize power, set up the Yemen Arab Republic, sparking civil war between royalists supported by Saudi Arabia and republicans backed by Egypt.

 

Syria erupted in the spring of 2011.. The US didn't get involved until 2014.

 

Why does the young responsible power supports a military organization that rules Lebanon - but not throu democratic means ? simply taking over it, and by making decisions for its Gov like starting wars with Israel they inflict misery to the Lebanease, I mean who autherised them to do that ?
I think ppl that are so fearful of simple liberties like dancing and hearing western music, or having a female singer - are not that responsible to their ppl, let alone other nations which they hate.

 

Why? , You think Iran can't apply international laws to their claim but everyone else can?

Territorial waters or a territorial sea, as defined by the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, is a belt of coastal waters extending at most 12 nautical miles (22.2 km; 13.8 mi) from the baseline (usually the mean low-water mark) of a coastal state.

 

Iran's unilateral decision. What BS.. They don't control access to the Persian Gulf.

 

When they have nuclear weapons they will control the Gulf

And thanks to obama they will soon have nukes

 

The United States first supplied the rebels of the Free Syrian Army with non-lethal aid (including food rations and pickup trucks), but quickly began providing training, cash, and intelligence to selected Syrian rebel commanders. During the Syrian Civil War, which began in 2011, two US programs attempted to assist the Syrian rebels. One was a military program that planned to train and equip 15,000 Syrian rebels, but was canceled in 2015 after spending $500 million and producing only a few dozen fighters.[111] A $1 billion covert program run by the CIA was more successful, but was decimated by Russian bombing and canceled in mid 2017 by the Trump administration

The United States began surveillance missions on Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) positions in Syria in September 2014. On 10 September, President of the United States Barack Obama gave a speech indicating his intent to "degrade and ultimately destroy" the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, saying, "I have made it clear that we will hunt down terrorists who threaten our country, wherever they are. That means I will not hesitate to take action against ISIL in Syria, as well as Iraq.

The missile strike on the Shayrat Airbase conducted by the U.S. on 7 April 2017, marked the start of deliberate direct military action by the U.S. military against the Syrian Ba'athist government′s and pro-government forces.

Following the start of the Arab Spring in 2011, protests in Syria against the Assad administration were violently suppressed and a civil war began.[116] By 2012 there were several armed opposition groups operating in the country, including the Free Syrian Army, formed in July 2011 by officers who defected from the Syrian Armed Forces. In 2012, the al-Nusra Front was established by the Islamic State of Iraq as the official branch of al-Qaeda in Syria. The al-Nusra Front was eclipsed by its own creator, and al-Qaeda severed its ties to the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant in February 2014, after an eight-month power struggle.....snip~

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American-led_intervention_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War


Evidently you didn't know quite a bit, or when US Military intervention actually took place.

Yeah and I know most pacifist truly don't understand much about conflicts. But they can still be taught.

 

Btw.....I'll bet you think I am white/Caucasian too. Ultra Nationalist.

 

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U.S.-Omani relations were deepened in 1980 by the conclusion of two important agreements. One provided access to Omani military facilities by U.S. forces under agreed-upon conditions. The other agreement established a Joint Commission for Economic and Technical Cooperation, located in Muscat, to provide U.S. economic assistance to Oman. The Joint Commission continued in existence until the mid-1990s.

In March 2005, the U.S. and Oman launched negotiations on a Free Trade Agreement that were successfully concluded in October 2005. The FTA was signed on January 19, 2006, and is pending implementation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oman–United_States_relations

Tell us how your Iranian version of things didn't know that 1993.....is not considered Mid 90's. Tell us when Oman decided that shipping and trade wasn't to be protected.

 

I thought you wanted to talk about this:
"The Strait of Hormuz connects the Persian Gulf with the Gulf of Oman and the Arabian Sea. At its narrowest point, the strait is 21 miles wide, but the width of the shipping lane in either direction is only two miles, separated by a two-mile buffer "
If Iran ever did try to close the strait...America would be the least of it's worries.