New Immigration proposal,Highly Intelligent highly skilled immigrants.

I'm saying Trump being in power would have. He wouldn't have even been considered.

 

Apparently mike isn't aware of the current us immigration laws. Being merit based and all is an inconvenience for some people.

The only argument is what criteria is used to determine "merit" in each of the various classes of immigrants.

But you wouldn't know that from the blathering of trumpians.

 

Nice strawman. I see you have taken a page out of your dear leader's playbook and simple try to dump a load of bullshit on those you can't actually debate with facts.

It may not be an example of intellectual integrity, but it is an example of intellectual ability.

 

As it should be.

But I fail to see what you're arguing about... You're Canadian, like me, and you know that our own system is merit base and it's one of the system that inspired Trump for his reform. If it's ok for us, it's also ok for the USA, unless you're advocating for open border and no restriction on immigration whatsoever. In that case you'll be sad to know that our merit base system is here to stay.

 

NO it wasn't a system that inspired Trump. and if you are a Canadian, then you should have a clue about how similar our two systems actually are. One major difference is in the criteria for our respective "points" systems.

Who in their right minds advocate for open borders and no restrictions in any country? Apparently many trumpians and some conservatives who don't actually have a clue about their own immigration system but are totally prepared to parrot partisan bullshit bumperstickers that resonates with their xenophobic belief that their cultural is under existential threat..

 

You're just ranting now... you're better than that.

The canadian system is score based with education and profession being the main ones, same as what trump proposed. Canada also have restrictions toward some countries and bonus toward others, mostly european ones.

 

It's amusing to me that you complain about the lack of facts, personally insult me, and then fail to respond with any facts at all, in the same post!

 

So do you have a different stance on Canadian immigration?

 

Presumably to be even better!

 

Well yes, you're correct about that due to the travel ban. However I just don't see how it is an argument against Trump wanting immigration based on high skills. You originally responded this post:

To which you replied:

So are you saying that all of those people had parents who came in as low skill workers?

 

Nikki Haley's parents: "Her father was formerly a professor at Punjab Agricultural University, and her mother received her law degree from the University of Delhi."

"Haley's parents moved to Canada after her father received a scholarship offer from the University of British Columbia. When her father received his PhD degree in 1969, he moved his family to South Carolina, where he accepted a position as a professor at the historically black Voorhees College.[16] Her mother, Raj Randhawa, earned a master's degree in education and taught for seven years in the Bamberg public schools before starting a clothing company, Exotica International, in 1976."

Steve Jobs Syrian dad: His dad completed a Phd and comes from a wealthy family in Syria. Steve Jobs was somewhat pro merit based immigration since he wanted foreigners who completed an Engineering degree be allowed to stay in the US.

Walt Disney's dad: Not sure why this was included since Disney's dad came from Canada to the US in 1878.

Sergy Brin's parents: "Brin was born in Moscow in August 1973 to Michael and Eugenia Brin, who had both attended Moscow State University. The family arrived in the U.S. 30 years ago today, when Sergey was six. His father became a mathematics professor at the University of Maryland. His mother is a research scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center."


I think you get the point. Remarkable people usually (not always-usually) come from remarkable parents. These are people who would have been able to come under a merit based system so Golem proved the opposite of his point.

It's amazing that one even has to argue the idea that the US is better off with high achieving immigrants than unskilled illiterate ones, but that's the stupid age we live in.

 

I'm saying exactly what I said: that Trump's policies would have kept him out. Steve Jobs' father wasn't a high skilled worker. He wasn't any of those things. He was a student.

 

We don't need any more poor illegals who don't speak English...

 

Yes we do. They are hard working Americans who come here to work, they are a demographic group that commits fewer crimes than the general population, and they become a great asset. What we don't need are xenophobe white supremacists who will never contribute anything to this country

 

Their only poor by US standards. They can solve that by simply moving to where the standard for poverty is lower - like almost everywhere else.

 

Well of course, international students aren't immigrants, so Steve's Dad would've have secured 'immigrant' status via unrelated means, perhaps via work. Do we know what his profession was?

 

No. But Steve Jobs was put up for adoption because his parents didn't have money to raise him. Probably fruit pickers

 

I literally just posted a link about Jobs in post 186. I don't know where you got this fruit picker nonsense, but it's fake news.

 

It's not important enough for me to look up your post. But the "fruit picker" part is a bit of a joke between the poster and I. Which is the reason for the big grin emoticon. It was loooong ago established in our conversation that he was probably not a fruit picker.

 

Yet that seems to be the basis of your argument. Cut out the fruit pickers and unskilled, illiterate workers, and you cut out the next Steve Jobs.

 

Nope! It was put Trump's policies in the past, and you lose a long list of very relevant people to this country. Steve Jobs just happened to be one that the poster I responded to picked out of from the list.

 

Me:

You:

No, you are basically arguing the same thing. It's just that Steve Jobs doesn't work for your scenario, as do most of your other examples.

If you want to run the "put Trump's policies in the past" scenario, if the US had changed to a merit based system in 1965, would our poverty level be greater or lower than it is today?

 

Why not? Looks to me like it works just fine.

I don't know but we would probably have lost the cold war.

 

Okay, but Steve was already in the country, so again, how exactly would Trump's policies have kept him out?

 

Huh? Steve Jobs was born in the United States!