New Jersey councilwoman Eunice Dwumfour shot and killed, authorities say

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  1. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    If i had to guess, i would wager a decent amount of confrontations that end with gun violence start and take place with automobiles.
     
  2. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    The numbers vary. None of them are refuted, except to point the numbers presented by another study.

    Post a source that proves that any of the figures aren't accurate and that the real number is less than 55,000.
     
  3. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    You are being facetious here.
     
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    The conservative argument of "not the job of the government." And since a majority or most die hard 2a advocates are politically conservative......you make the call.
     
  5. Oldyoungin

    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    no not at all. Road rage is a very real thing here.
     
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    But now states such as Texas and 31 other states now do not require any type of live fire training exercises. Second, just because you have a firearm in your vehicle may not mean that you will have training in that situation either. Again, anyone, pretty much anyone can purchase a firearm no matter what the law says. It is a matter of where you purchase the firearm and whether or not the background check will be done.

    I do agree that anyone who purchases any type of firearm get professional training, but the point I am making is that a majority of people don't if it is voluntary or not required.
     
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    that is true, but compared to all types of firearm homicides, it is not that much. In 2022, there was a grand total of 200 or so road rage homicides. The total number of homicides in the US was over 26,000 in 2022 according to the CDC.
    https://www.thetrace.org/2022/01/which-states-require-firearm-safety-course-concealed-carry/
    https://www.bankrate.com/insurance/car/road-rage-statistics/#what-is-road-rage
    https://www.thezebra.com/resources/research/road-rage-statistics/
    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/homicide.htm
     
  8. Bearack

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    I honestly think everyone should have some form of training. I also think everyone should have a mandatory minimum 2 year military service. That would take care of weapons training, skills training, awareness training and also teach some discipline to many, MANY people who need to respect authority. However, I know many will not join me in this stance.
     
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    Of course and that makes your opinion nothing but that, your opinion and not anything scientifically proven.
    And another passage from your article stating your opinion does not back up what you profess to be true.
    In 2000, Hemenway published a survey which found that "Guns are used to threaten and intimidate far more often than they are used in self defense";[31] also that year, he published another survey which found that "criminal gun use is far more common than self-defense gun use."[32] Both of these surveys argued that many defensive gun uses may not be in the best interests of society.[31][32] Also in 2000, Hemenway and his colleagues conducted a small survey that found that guns in the home were used more often to intimidate family members (13 respondents) than in self-defense (2 respondents). The same study stated that its results suggested that most self-defense gun uses did not occur in the home, and that non-gun weapons are used more often to thwart crime than guns are.[33]
    All this and I have not even shown you studies from other sources about gun violence and the consequences.
    However, believe what you believe.

     
  10. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    And STILL not one single source that disputes what I've posted. Got it!...lol
     
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    there are people who can't do military service because of their medical condition such as someone with Type 1, Juvenile onset, Diabetes. Those who want to serve should do it for the right reasons, otherwise that DI will sniff it out and will pretty much make you see the light. I much prefer the military to have those who want to be there than those who are forced to be there. Furthermore, just because you have weapons training does not mean it is reliable weapons training. And the only organization that does this consistently is the USMC where every year they go into weapons quals for their rifle AND pistol, both enlisted and officer. Not the same with the Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard, or Space Force.

    Second, I do agree, but the problem is most people won't unless it is mandatory. And if it is mandatory, most of them will bitch, moan, complain, etc. Every pro 2a group does not want mandatory safety training. They want to sell their safety training and try to obtain top dollar for that training, but not make it mandatory.
     
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    It is quite obvious you are trying extremely hard to hide your own evidence that shows your opinion is totally that and your assumption you made wrong!!!!!!!!
    I have used your own posting against you time and time again.
    It is you that chooses to ignore the facts of your own article, so, yes you do as you say, have it.
    You have it wrong.
    Nice try, again.

     
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    We really can't mandate intelligence, that's where Murphy's law comes in :)
    No real cure for stupidity :)
    FastStats - Accidents or Unintentional Injuries (cdc.gov)
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  14. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    No supporting evidence, as usual?...lol
     
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    Boilermaker55 Well-Known Member

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    Every evidence stated in my posts come directly from your article.
    One more , last time, sadly you cannot understand that it is evidence reputing your opinion.


     

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