New Pennsylvania Congressional Map Is a Big Win for Democrats

That isn't the goal of the democrats in the court who usurped the power from the state legislature.

Are you saying that altruism is cause to remove a power of the people's elected representatives and give it to an unelected academic?

The court may have the power to declare acts unconstitutional but it dies not have the power especiallyin light of Bush v. Gore to take a power of another branch onto itself to fix it.

 

I think that a gerrymandering ban nationwide is a win for the American people against cheating politicians in both partisans. How can anyone be so disgusting as to support cheating simple because it helps their political party?

 

I am sorry but I really don't seem to understand your point. I am not talking about unfairly not representing republicans i support republicans myself. I don't see your point about creating republicans either. Maybe it is just getting late I can not read or digest properly. I think what it comes down to is simple. Do you see any problems with the current map that gave Republicans 2/3 of the representatives? In your opinion, were the districts drawn fairly?

 

There is no fair solution to the Urban Democrat nesting issue from a proportional representative stance.

We get what is intended. The districts which a 90% Democrat elect wackos. The Rural districts tend to elect harder right. Mixed suburbs fend more moderate.

Democrats don't get more seats simply because they all choose to live in the same area.

 

Republicans have intentionally designed districts to pack democrats into districts where they can win by massive margins and leave several districts around the area where the opposite party wins by a very small margins.

 

Not if the legislators don't draw the maps that way and they have every incentive to draw the maps such that they retain power.

 

There was a district in PA where the Republican congressman lived in a very narrow strip of the urban area that bridged two larger suburb type areas.

 

Most of the analysis I have seen suggests that the new map amounts to a +2 seats for democrats. So, instead of a 13-5 split for republicans, you get an 11-7 split for republicans.

I have yet to see any reasonable analysis to conclude that the new map amounts to a democratic gerrymander.

 

A power given by elected representatives to themselves in order to help ensure that they get re-elected.

 

Gerrymandering is a problem for both sides of the aisle.

 

No - that would be gerrymandering - creating districts to reflect voting patterns.
I think it would be possible to create a program that takes into account
- approximately equal sizes (by population) of districts
- already existing "legal" lines (e.g. county lines, municipal boundaries)
- geographic features (rivers, roads)
- probably some other things I haven't thought about
with a view to making every district as compact as possible.

Voting patterns should play NO part in the drawing of district boundaries.

Then let the chips fall where they may.

 

Well, I'm not surprised that a liberal/socialist progressive group would be pushing to create a system to eliminate voters that stand in the way of their political objectives.

Why should the specific needs and concerns of citizens in less populous states be diminished, while favoring the specific needs and concerns of citizens in more populous states?

The electoral college method applies to electing only one National office holder, the President and by default, the Vice President of the United States. That's it. Why do you think the Electoral College method was adopted?

 

So far as I can tell, the US postal svc. hasn't been politicized. USPS has relible residency data, and non partisan postal districts (zip codes). Just assign delegates as prescribed.

 

I do not believe that the electoral college specifically benefits Republican, nor was it intended to.

It was designed to give outsized voice to small states and sparsely populated areas.

 

LOL.

It was designed to give a voice to small states, and as described, to thwart the Tyranny of the Majority that would seek to silence the voice of people outside the large population centers.

Love this "outsized" bit.

Maybe if the left's candidate didn't call 10's of millions of people irretrievably deplorable, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

Haha... what do you think that shows?

That was the district after a REPUBLICAN-controlled state legislature drew up the map and REPUBLICAN governor Rick "The Crypt Keeper" Scott in 2012. So it's an artifact of REPUBLICAN gerry-mandering.

This is the one that was implemented by the Florida Supreme Court in 2015 in order to abate the Republican gerrymandering over the years and conform to two Florida Constitutional amendments voted on by Floridian voters to curb gerrymandering:

 

Democrats are the most bigoted voters I know. They literally hate and show that hate. It's their way or the highway. Maybe some day that will be the highway to prison for those who do not agree. They are doing that now with laws that go against the constitution. They don't care, either.

 

Wait, you actually seem to think that Republicans are more diverse than Democrats? Is that what you're saying? If not, then you don't understand what "identity politics" are or you wouldn't try to pretend that if it was for white Christian male Boomers, the Republican party would have a tough time winning elections regularly. We see that demographic waning so now the Republicans are resorting to gerrymandering and voter suppression just because they want to desperately maintain the majority power.

 

I don't see a problem with that except to note that there are a lot more zip codes than Congressional districts and as soon as you need to start deciding how to group the zip codes together, you run into potential gerrymandering issues.

 

I think they are, depending on your definition of diversity. Most libs think of diversity in terms of race and income. Cons tend to think of diversity in terms of ideology.

 

No, just assign a % of unclaimed states alloted delegates to precincts with too few voters. 10% of population requirements = 10% interest in independent(?) states delegates.

 

Correct. Under Scott the district lines were redrawn to cut the head off the snake of Corrupt Corrine Brown's gerrymandered district. The district was redrawn and she immediately lost the next election.

 

why do you keep repeating this lie? You've been called on it numerous times

 

Irrelevant deflection.

The PA Supreme Court legitimately made use of a qualified expert since the "elected GOP" clearly was NOT capable of drawing up a map without gerrymandering.

 

Look at it another way - the Electoral College actually cut off the voice of the majority of citizens in the 2016 election.