New Study Shows Higher Graduation/Achievement Rate for Voucher Kids vs MPS

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  1. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry, but the longterm story is CLEAR:


    New Study Shows Higher Graduation, Achievement Rates for Milwaukee Voucher Students

    Results of rigorous evaluation also show program has improved public school performance

    MILWAUKEE, WI (February 27, 2012)—Students enrolled in the Milwaukee voucher program are more likely to graduate from high school and go to college than their public school counterparts, boast significantly improved reading scores, represent a more diverse cross-section of the city, and are improving the results of traditional public school students, according to a comprehensive evaluation of the program released today.


    http://www.federationforchildren.org/articles/660
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    Deal with it , UNION FLUNKIE, QUALITY EDUCATION HATERS....

    It's the PARENTS' MONEY, the PARENTS' KIDS: It's the PARENTS' CHOICE.

    Even the French are that smart....
     
  2. Radio Refugee

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    Tell us how they eliminated selection bias.

    Obviously the kids from households where the parents care enough to get into the program will perform better.
     
  3. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No question. The FIRST STEP to successful children is involved parents.
     
  4. Trumanp

    Trumanp Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe you should listen to yourself and get a grip.

    Involved parents are generally ones with a stable income and enough time to spend with their kids to ensure they are successful. In this day and age many parents are both working more than 1 job, end up leaving the kids with a sitter on most nights and are so worried and wracked with concerns about paying the rent/buying groceries/clothing the kids that they don't spend enough time with their kids.

    The reality is that most of the people who take advantage of voucher programs are often people who could have afforded private school to begin with. The reality also stands out that those who could best benefit from a better education will never see it because of where their parents are stuck in life.

    Unless we see a resurgence of the middle class, a return to a more balanced income for more than the top 5% of americans, we're going to see education get screwed over. In fact, I expect the poor of our country to end up with a far worse education than they currently get due to the proliferation of voucher programs drawing money away from struggling public schools that are now stuck trying to educate the remaining kids on an ever shrinking budget.

    Voucher Programs are yet another tax break for the already well off who are screwing over the poor of America and helping to push farther apart the differences in income levels. They are further buttressing the haves from the have nots.

    http://indianapublicmedia.org/state...tuition-for-parents-who-can-pay-on-their-own/

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    Of course they do man. Because private schools only accept students who are likely to achieve, whether those students are on voucher or not.

    Take a public school in any major city and pluck their lowest 10% of students out of that public school and put them in a private school and they will almost assuredly perform no better than they did in a public school.

    Common sense, use it.
     
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    ....or we could convince the unwed and unfit to stop screwing and breeding like rabbits.
     
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    ....warehouse. They won't ever justify the double or triple cost to educate. But that can't happen because that 10% is mostly black and I'm a racist.
     
  8. septimine

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    They're already in a warehouse. It's called a (*)(*)(*)(*)ty inner-city public school. The schools that can't afford books, teachers, computers, or buildings that are up to code. I support vouchers for just that reason. there's no hope for these kids UNLESS they are permitted to flee the public (*)(*)(*)(*)holes they are forced to attend by district boundaries. I don't buy the argument that trapping kids in failing schools is necessary to educate poor kids, as they barely get a third world education NOW. Most have never had a decent teacher, because those teachers are hired away to richer districts, they can't afford enough textbooks to let the kids take them home for study, most schools don't have computers. That's what actually happens. Unless you're smart enough to be born into a rich enough family to get into a decent school district, you can forget about dreaming. You can forget about middle class jobs, you weren't born to a family in a rich enough district.

    At least with a voucher, we can get these kids into a real school, rather than a warehouse. We can turn some of those kids onto computers and science and they'll spend time making apps instead of dealing drugs. What we do now is warehouse those kids from 5 to 18, and then act *shocked* to find out they don't think much of school. Considering that we're barely pretending to educate them, that's a sign of intellect, because you'd have to be a moron to think that a kid trapped in a failed school is going to compete against a kid from a rich district who's been trained to college level. If you weren't educating me in school, and I knew that following the "education" route AS GIVEN TO POOR (mostly black) KIDS was a dead end, I deal too. At least that way I could afford a house and a car. When the legitamate route is closed off, people turn to other means to get what's denied them.
     
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    I'm all for vouchers for everyone.

    The bottom 10% of most city schools are special ed. They are massively expensive and return next to nothing to society in human capital while all that money is NOT spent on the gifted.

    Let's just use or money a little wiser and tell the disparate impact lawyers at DOJ of go screw.
     
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    Trumanp Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is a problem, no argument there. But it's only a segment and hardly indicative of the whole picture. Not everyone who is poor and struggling is a single parent.

    You can also point to high divorce rates among the poor being brought upon by stress. I remember my parents fought like cats and dogs when things were tight as I grew up due to money problems. My wife and I make an effort to avoid those kinds of arguments, though they have cropped up occasionally over 21 years of marriage.

     
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    Did you even bother to research and verify anything that you just said. Your entire post is 100% bull(*)(*)(*)(*). For cheese sakes at least double check before you post something. I realize that leftists are riding the short bus already but you didn't even get on the bus, your following behind it on a scooter wearing one of those beanies with the propeller blade on it.

    http://sms.dpi.wi.gov/files/sms/pdf/pcp_income_limits_2013-14.pdf
     
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    And this is a problem why? The parents don't want any education for their kids. This is like giving a fruit-cake to someone at Christmas, and being 'surprised' to find it in the trash on New Years. Don't be that angry Grandma holding down junior, forcing him to LIKE fruitcake.
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sad, but true.
     
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    So vouchers don't cure a damned thing.
     

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