NFL players =< a pile of sh*t. Everything that is wrong with America.

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  1. Thought Criminal

    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Your "appeal to authority" argument isn't a winner either.
     
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    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly. Perhaps Trump should have said "Fire that numbnuts!" ... no wait ...

    But you know what, Mike? Trump called this s:censored:t out, and last night the Cowboys did their little kneeling thing before the anthem, and then stood for the anthem. That wouldn't have happened if it weren't for Trump's willingness to blow up political correctness and give voice to many Americans who are offended by protesting the anthem. I feel like this was a fair way to exercise freedom of speech without dishonoring the anthem or the flag. I am hoping other professional sports teams take a lesson from the Cowboys and do it the same way. And if they do, credit to Trump because he had the balls, and he put this into motion.

    Seth
     
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    Neither is your logical fallacy
     
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    Cigar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Somehow I thought you people would have been out in force by Sunday ....

    Respectfully ....
     
  5. Mike12

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    Muhammad Ali didn't disrespect the flag and his Country. He was against the war and racial injustices but he didn't take a knee during anthem. You cannot compare Ali to these idiots of today...

    Also, what bothers me is the narrative from the left (especially blacks) that makes it seem as if there is systemic oppression and racism run amok. This is simply categorically FALSE and what we see on networks like CNN or in players like Kaepernick is a distortion of facts and race baiting. See, IMO, the racists are Kaeprenick and the ones that take a knee because they have ill feelings towards people simply because they are white.

    My question for Kaepernick and his supporters is what exactly are you protesting? Slavery? abolished over 100 years ago. Segregation? abolished 50 years ago. What exactly are they protesting? What oppression are we talking about when an african american becomes president of this Country. In what universe are african americans oppressed when one of them can even become president? In what universe are african americans oppressed when they get to make hundreds of millions of dollars to play sports and are worshipped by the media and fans as if they were gods? IS THIS in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM oppression?

    then we get into the police brutality and institutional racism that black activists talk about 24/7. Here's the deal, i'm color blind when it comes to these issues, i look at facts. The media doesn't report facts as they should, they push an agenda.

    We can all agree that Kaepersh&t was protesting cops and supporting BLM. The thing is that BLM was mostly based on lies. How did this movement start? Ferguson. What happened on Ferguson? a black kid was shot dead by a white police officer and without waiting for ANY FACTS, blacks took to the streets and rioted. To these blacks, facts simply do not matter and in every case that a white cop shoots a black person, racism can be the only explanation. In turns out that after witnesses were interviewed and facts analyzed, there was no evidence that Mikey Brown was shot because the cop was a racist, evidence pointed to Mikey Brown being violent and putting himself in this bad situation.

    For over 2 or so years, CNN and the liberal SH&T MOB covered police shootings but their coverage was disgustingly biased. First of all, even though twice as many whites are shot by cops than blacks are, CNN didn't cover ONE SINGLE incident of whites being shot. In what world is it reporting facts when most of the shootings are ignored and only the ones that involved white-black were reported? This is what i call pushing an agenda, being disingenuous, seeking to brain wash people and putting ratings ontop of journalism, racism sells! We saw people make accusations of racism time and time again without waiting for facts and in almost every case, facts later pointed to shootings that were justified, with few exceptions.

    In addition to this misreporting and distortion of facts, black people and liberal media refuse to discuss hard truths, truths that blacks must face and discuss openly. By far, the biggest problem facing blacks today is blacks themselves. We can say that whites oppressed blacks in 1800s, early 1900s but today it is blacks oppressing themselves. The reality is that the biggest problems facing african americans today are 1. black on black crime. Thousands of blacks kill each other every year compared to a few blacks killed by white cops. A black thug presents a much bigger threat to a black person than a white cop, it isn't even close. 2. Bad parenting in inner cities. Lack of a father figure, lack of good parenting is a massive problem in poor neighborhoods and a black kid's biggest challenge. When parents raise a child the right way, success is around the corner 3. using racism as an excuse When black people grow up believing the world is against them and they cannot succeed because they are oppressed, it is a major road block. I loved a CNN interview between Morgan Freeman and Don lemon many years ago where Morgan Freeman said racism is not an issue, that blacks use it as an 'excuse not to get there'. Don lemon was shocked by this answer but it's mostly true. Who stopped Barack Obama from becoming president?

    I repeat, if you are black and respect the laws, obey cops, get an education, work hard, have a positive mentality.. you can even become president. There is no other higher office in the planet than office of the US president and a Country that can award a black man this power, is NOT a Country that oppresses blacks. Black people today are their own worst enemy, they need to look inward and stop using racism as an excuse, it is simply not their biggest issue today, far from it. This is why when blacks take a knee, it is based on no facts, it is based on a wrong mindset, misinformation and rooted in racism, towards whites.
     
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    Which is what?

    You might have heard that they weren't disrespecting America. The example you gave doesn't even apply.

    Otherwise, it remains to be seen how things shake out.
     
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    Colin K ... simply took a Knee, no different than going to Church.

    If your panzy ass can handle a Man taking a Knee, you need to grow a set.
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You should go on tour preaching to black people how lucky they are. They need a guy like you to cheer them up. You seem like an all out know it all expert regarding the problems of black people. You might want to consider writing a self help book for them. There are endless opportunities out there for a guy with your vision, understanding, compassion and deep, deep knowledge. You could end up being the white Martin Luther King. Now get out there and spread the word! And for all you do, thank you.
     
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    no developed nation treats blacks better than USA. Blacks should feel good about living in this Country yes.

    tell me, when was the last time Britain, Germany, France, Spain, Italy voted a black president/prime minister into office? In which other Country do black athletes make so much money? think about this..

    speaking of black leaders, i believe blacks are in desperate need of a new kind of positive leader that focuses on the real problems blacks face - black on black crime, bad parenting in inner cities, race baiting and the use of racism as an excuse for not succeeding. No white person was able to stop Barak Obama from becoming president and holding the most powerful office in the PLANET and he did in in a Country where blacks are only around 13% of the population!

    Fact is that people like Colin Kaepernick are counterproductive to progress, they do more harm to blacks than good. Black people need to start addressing the bigger problems, the white man is no longer in the way, it is themselves. Those who hate white people, use racism as an excuse for failure, don't obey the laws, fight cops and don't get an education, simply don't succeed. Who is to blame for this? THEMSELVES.
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You could be that leader Mike. You seem to have a real obsession regarding black people, their needs their problems and all other things black. It is as if you have spent a great part of your life becoming an expert on this subject. Get yourself a soapbox and a megaphone, go down to South Central LA and set up on the corner of 157th Street and Avalon Blvd. and share your wisdom with these people. I am sure you will be a real hit. You go boy!
     
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    What racist stereotypes? There was no mention of race. You must be the racist for making unfounded assumptions.
     
  12. Seth Bullock

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    Right. Sort of a Martin Luther King of positive living.

    Actually, Obama was in the perfect position to have been in that role. He was the POTUS, and he was married for a long time to one woman and he raised his two children with her. He got a college education, and for him, the sky was the limit. But he just never seemed genuinely interested, and he just passed on it. Not only did he pass on it, he fed into the old narrative of black victimhood. He never really made any effort to lead black people in this manner we're speaking of.

    Anyways, yes. The black community needs high profile black leaders who want to speak honestly about personal responsibility and living well, and who have the guts to lead.
     
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    and he was a perfect role model. You can't really talk smack about the people you hope emulate you. You have to lead by example, which he did. He got into an ivy league university, married a butt ugly black woman, had two kids who seem to be well raised, and got a good high visibility job.

    Bill Cosby tried doing what Obama did, all up until he started talking smack, and then he got taken down a few or three notches.

    You don't get anywhere with blacks by telling them that they are irredeemably lazy, stupid and violent.. You simply give them a good example, and hope that a few follow your lead.
     
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    I believe leadership is an important piece of the puzzle, but it is not the only thing. Of course you don't get anywhere with anybody by denigrating them. That's not leadership.
     
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    I fault Obama for a lot of things, but not for attempting to be a good role model.

    Where I think he messed up is by making everything so black and white. He pushed the racial divide like no other president has ever done, and it worked to the detriment of blacks.
     
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    Nice sentiment in your post but having spent far too much time on flag security detail, I freaking hate those things. I differentiate between the object and the symbolism. I am not even sure "hate" adequately captures my feelings for them. If I never have to touch one again, it will be too soon.
     
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    Let me help you: Martin Luther King and those who marched with him, always felt they were US Citizens(hence holding the flag). They just demanded that virtuous right be acknowledged by everyone else. The "other thing" is a separatist movement, meant to spit on the flag and everything it stands for.

    Still struggling?
     
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    Name calling and insults. How very 'big' of you.

    I find it hypocritical that you and yours elevate these players for years, buying expensive tickets, hotels costs, airfare costs to see the game, whooping it up, putting them in meteoric positions over doctors, lawyers, engineers....calling them "hero", and now all of a sudden, because of this whole Anthem incident, you awake from your drunken stupor, came out of your mancave and feign outrage as to why they are paid so much and why they think they are so "important"?? Do you complain when Tom Brady is referred to as a "hero" or your contempts are only limited to blacks as you have posted??

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...already-immortalized-in-boston-sports-history
     
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    I wish I could boycott football but I already don't watch it.
     
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    Garbage nonsense. Are you saying we are lemmings incapable of our own thoughts? It's your responsibility to educate yourself and your children to know right from wrong, what is important and what is not. You control what they can and cannot watch on TV or what movies they can see. My kids and I watch football and basketball for entertainment. I have never or will buy them ANY jersey of ANY player to wear, because that name and number doesn't represent them whatsoever.
     
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    Yeah...because calling people SOB's on live TV isn't showing that he's an immature juvenile?
     
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    ^ This.

    Even a Cowboy hater like me was impressed. :)
     
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    here is how it works.

    ESPN, NBC, ABC, TENNIS CHANNEL, GOLD CHANNEL, CBS etc... all make money from us watching sports events. The sports anchors make a living from us watching and paying for sports events. Naturally, it is in their interest to glorify athletes, it's about making people watch and pay. Unfortunately, yes, we are to a degree brainwashed. Very few people stop to think how absurd it is that a person that runs around a basket ball court or football field, throwing balls around makes hundreds of millions of dollars and are regraded to be so significant. It is engrained in our culture = entertainment is everything. An athlete, to us, is more important than a doctor, a scientist, a teacher, proof is where the $$ is. It's free market capitalism but the demand is based on a culture of instant gratification and valuing entertainment way too highly.
     
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    unfortunately, black people don't listen to white folks so i couldn't be their leader jack. I'm sure i would do a lot of good by trying to make people pay attention to the real issues african americans face instead of the scapegoat - oppression and racism. I see this all the time, when white folks throw hard facts at black activists on TV, the black activists go silent and always respond with 'you don't know what it is to be black'... The reality is that blacks in USA use racism as an excuse for their own faults and failures. I really don't understand how any black person can say we have oppression and institutional racism run amok when a black person became president in a Country with a white majority. It simply doesn't make any sense.

    Once again, by far, the biggest problems for blacks today are black on black crime, lack of good parenting in inner cities and the use of racism as an excuse for everything. Cops are the least of african american's worries, they are the scapegoat.
     
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    here are black men that i respect and wish would speak out more.

    Morgan Freeman on Don Lemon:



    the whole interview is great but pay attention to 2:15-2:40 when Don lemon asks him about racism.
     
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