No attack, no victims, no chem weapons: Douma witnesses speak at OPCW briefing at The Hague

To avoid fighting the rebels in residential areas. That's the motive. The rebels fled the area after the attack, so there's the gain.

 

Did I call you a leftist?

 

Surely you can't be serious. You seriously didn't hear any talk of potential war in the lead up to the response strikes to the chemical weapon attack?

 

Just believe them Syrians who say their own acting is fake... when they sit there in a western country in front the press.

 

How do you know that no gas was released into the air?

How do you know nobody died? Nobody was reported dead, true. Do you seriously think that if anybody died from inhalation of gas released as a result of the attack, the Syrians or the Russians would have reported the death? Such report would have confirmed the existence of chemical plants both Assad and Putin are working so hard to deny.

Chemical weapons are not usually stored at the chemical plant itself, only the components. Just as tanks and fighter jets are not usually stored at the factories that produce them. Chances are that no actual chemical weapon "died" in the attack.

Maybe one of the reasons the US, France and the UK announced the attack beforehand was to give Syrians time to remove eventual chemical weapons still in the factories.

 

Some of us didn't believe Bush and put more trust in Hans Blix. Why would anyone accept Russia's interference in Georgia and the Ukraine?

Or being gullible enough to buy what RT is selling.

 

A number of deluded right wingers on this forum have done so. Perhaps they will now change their minds (?).

 

Satellite photos as proof of that, please ...

 

Really? Tell me more!

 

So you weren't directing your post at me?

 

It never ceases to amaze me how gullible people are. No matter how many times the US government is caught in outrageous lies, they still trust these criminals who $$$$thrive by committing war crimes to be telling them the truth, despite the lack of incontrovertible evidence and often without any evidence at all.

 

But it isn't only those on this site, it's media-wide? Even BBC newscasters on radio and tv, all the newspapers' journalists and commentators, politicians of all sides, the security services, military and civvy who've been tasked in Salisbury - the list goes on, and they've all been suckered by it, so how on earth are they going to restore their respective credibilties?

 

Satellite photos of what? Military convoys with a big "Chemical weapons transport, please do not bomb" written all over it in big vividly colored letters?

You missed the "maybe" at the beginning of the paragraph. I don't have any source for this, just my neurons working feverishly. I can see only one other reason for the warning given to Assad and Putin ahead of the attack: to make sure there were no Russians on the sites.

 

Well crazies aren't exactly unheard of in the history of humankind are they? The thing is that when one of them has nothing to lose is when he'll press the newculer(!!) button?

 

Well, you can read Robert Fisk's report HERE, Witchy. A more recent report of his is HERE. Fisk's extremely well respected in the UK and known to be a straight talker.

He was the first Brit journalist in Douma and searched out people to see if he could verify the US, UK and French claims. He couldn't. He says it didn't happen. That what happened was asphyxiation due to smoke inhalation that was cynically used by the White Helmets to create an illusion of a gas attack to act as a motive the US could grab to proceed with a plan they had to decapitate the Syrian military and completely destroy it as a military force. That was the plan, as Elijah Magnier recently revealed. But the three nations couldn't proceed with that plan because Russia made it clear they would respond and strike the platforms from which missiles were released. This would've meant war between US, Britain, France and Russia.

General Mattis walked the plan back to a token strike that he communicated to the Russian in advance, thereby avoiding a major war. Good for him. The plan was madness to begin with, an act of desperation.

I might add that no one from the three government who bombed Assad had ANY officials or assets in Douma (not counting the White Helmets, of course). The relied entirely on reports coming out of social media and "open sources". That's not intelligence collecting or seeking objective facts. That's creatively rushing to judgement.

But then they had their plan...

 

What did you expect ABC and the guardian to say ?

Regardless .. you avoided the main content of my post. Your in denial.

 

And the rest is history . . . that the western world should be thoroughly ashamed of. But at least nuclear holocaust was averted, so that's something to be grateful for.

 

I'm not entirely sure they've been "suckered" by it, Cerb, I think quite a few of them are willing and compliant in the travesty.

 

In these strange times we live in, SH, where nothing is what it seems, who can be sure?

 

Yep, sadly you're right, Cerb. Nothing can be trusted; everything has to be tested. As much as that is possible anyway.

 

The Off Guardian has an interesting article titled Douma part 1 - Deception in Plain Sight.

The article sets out the media's numerous attempts to maintain and project the official narrative, even as it increasingly unravels. At a time when millions of people around the world are fleeing mainstream media because of a lack of trust in the stories they carry, the media plow on regardless, like Lemmings heading for the cliff edge.

For me, this is the consequence of the mainstream media and government being owned or controlled by a tiny elite of billionaires and powerful corporations who all share the same neoliberal agenda, and who positively refuse to smell the coffee and see that they're killing the Golden Goose (I think that's enough idioms for one post).

They see their almost captured 'one world' being flushed down the toilet and don't know what else to do but double down.

 

Former UN Weapons Inspector, Scott Ritter, adds his voice to the growing list of those who regard to Douma gas narrative to be completely flawed.

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/04/27/weapons-inspector-refutes-u-s-syria-chemical-claims/

 

Blimey, this is a time bomb waiting to explode, not least because it's so connected to the Skripals too.

 

Yup, it's pretty clear the Skripal affair was used to engender British public support for the plan to destroy the Syrian military (albeit that had to be reduced to a token strike in the end).

I've just posted Craig Murray's blog where Clive Ponting (remember him Cerb? - General Belgrano torpedoing) who states that he believes the Skripal's poisoning was a western affair. He thinks that Sergie Skripal had become a triple agent and was reporting back to the Russians about MI6 matters, so they poisoned him with BZ as a warning - and then used that to attack Russia.

Well, we do know he monthly visited the intelligence guys at the Russian Embassy in London, so this sounds perfectly likely.