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That graph was of the troposphere which would be the satellite data along with the radiosondes that are all pretty much in agreement. The surface temperature data has numerous problems and is adjusted every year as if past data keeps changing.

 

And as the number of temperature stations goes down the adjustments to the past measurements goes up (indicating warming).

 

Here is an explanation from another scientist of all the problems the Guardian article discussed.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2016/05/comparing-models-to-the-satellite-datasets/

You point to a NASA study that says global warming didn't pause to back up your statement that global warming paused. Good luck with that argument.

Another denier claim that was refuted long ago.

https://tamino.wordpress.com/2010/03/05/global-update/

 

Convoluted interpretation of a true believer on display

 

Here let me refresh your memory of the NASA link.

"Researchers say this shifting pattern of ocean heat accounts for the slowdown in the global surface temperature trend observed during the past decade."



Now how in your mind does a slowdown in global surface temperature that warmers predicted and I pointed out somehow translate to it really did warm as predicted?

Good luck with that argument.

Having said that I really have no dog in this fight as you do and am perfectly willing to be convinced that AGW is real. If you ever looked at my profile I think man has and is degrading the planet but I don't think AGW is one of our bigger sins and in reality I think it does nothing but take our eye off the ball of real pollution we do daily that is a real threat to the environment. When I see believable evidence of AGW I will get on board but I will not just follow the crowd and join the cult like so many sadly do.

 

Who wrote that and why does it only cover the southern hemisphere ??

Are you claiming that the chart below does not introduce a warming bias into the surface temp measurements ??

 

Instead of the NASA press release, maybe you should try reading the actual paper. The part you should focus on is where it says:

That means the Earth is still warming, just not where the models predicted it would. Considering that CMIP5 is designed to model long term global temperature trends, I don't see how this is a problem for the theory.

[/QUOTE=sawyer;1066833185]Having said that I really have no dog in this fight as you do and am perfectly willing to be convinced that AGW is real. If you ever looked at my profile I think man has and is degrading the planet but I don't think AGW is one of our bigger sins and in reality I think it does nothing but take our eye off the ball of real pollution we do daily that is a real threat to the environment. When I see believable evidence of AGW I will get on board but I will not just follow the crowd and join the cult like so many sadly do.[/QUOTE]
Do you accept the science that says atmospheric CO2 retains heat causing Earth's surface temperature to be higher than if the CO2 was not there?

 

Tamino is a mathematician who works primarily with time series analysis, and you should probably go back and read the link again. The analysis covers the whole globe, hence the "Global Update" title. He had previously processed the northern hemisphere data, then processed the southern hemisphere so he could analyze the entire globe.

Since the actual global temperature anomaly data published by NOAA shows no such jump around 1990, I'm going to say it is more than just a claim. Do you even know where this chart comes from and how the data was processed? The claim that NOAA dropped stations to create a warming bias has been reviewed by many people, and like claims of UHI and station quality bias, the change actually lowered global warming trends ever so slightly.

 

I've posted the source before. It's from a paper by Ross McKitrick - University of Guelph (Canada). NOAA didn't drop stations - the stations were shut down.

 

Do you accept the science that says atmospheric CO2 retains heat causing Earth's surface temperature to be higher than if the CO2 was not there?[/QUOTE]

The crux of the NASA report is that the predicted warming failed to materialize and that was my original point that you and others have tried desperately to deny.

Now as for the basic premise of C02 retaining heat and causing earth temperature to rise, I don't think anyone disagrees with that in theory and that is one of the reasons why the extremists in the AGW cult claim so many scientist agree with AGW. In a test tube world the science is sound but in the gigantic and messy stew pot of the earths climate our C02 contribution becomes a rounding error and insignificant in the scheme of things. The cultist have made this into a fanatical belief system that is rivaled only by the most extreme religions. Meanwhile in the real world the sun ebbs and flows,the earths orbit around it wobbles, volcanos erupt and a myriad of other climate influencing events occur that we have no concept or understanding of and our tiny influence on climate is brushed aside. The earth will do as it always has long before we got here. Ice ages will come and go and climate will vary in-between. Mass extinctions will occur and continents will move around the planet and at some point a large asteroid will hit and and start everything over again. Relax and enjoy your short time here on this dynamic ever changing planet.

 

Except the predicted warming has materialized, or did you miss the news that 2015 was the warmest year on record and 2016 will certainly beat it.

You accept that atmospheric CO2 contributes to the warming of Earth's surface, which is a step in the right direction, so we're left debating just how much of an effect it has. You say it is insignificant while the overwhelming majority of those who study the issue say it is responsible for most of the warming over the last century, and will likely cause even more warming. You can ignore the issue and enjoy your short time on this planet, while I will do what I can to leave a better planet for my children and their children.

 

What exactly do you do to leave the planet a better place for your children and their children?