Noam Chomsky: GOP Is "Literally A Serious Danger To Human Survival"

Lmao...And yet you people repeat ted nugent's racist brain farts as if they were gospel.

 

Well, that oxymoron sums up the whole problem, doesn't it?
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So like François Hollande pressed the French PS in a progressive direction, with his advocacy of shorter work weeks and 75% top rate taxes?

Oh wait. He didn't.

 

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-politicians/presidents/francois-hollande-net-worth/

"Francois Hollande Net Worth: Francois Hollande is a French politician who has a net worth of $2 million.

"Born François Gérard Georges on 12 August 1954, in Rouen, France, he is the current President of France. A longtime Socialist Party leader, Francois Hollande stepped in the shoes of Nicolas Sarkozy in May 15, 2012, when he officially assumed office of the 'head of state' position he will hold for five years through 2017."
One should be suspicious of rich "socialist" politicians.

 

As for Gnome Chumpsky - yes, his assertion that there is no such thing as the New World Order is laughable and proves beyond a doubt he is COINTELPRO.

21st Century Industrial Complexes, part 2: Surveillance, Cyber-Spying and the National Stasi Agency

http://www.sott.net/article/263459-...ce-Cyber-Spying-and-the-National-Stasi-Agency

 

Didn't read whole thread. Thanks for linking this, good to see a compilation of what intelligent people already perceive about Chomsky after struggling through even a single volume of his gibberish.

To the topic, please OP, spend some time broadening your horizons. Noam Chomsky is what ignorant, impressionable students read and no one else. I would substantively reply to Chomsky's claims in the article if there were any substance to reply to, so spare us any "ad hominem" complaints.

 

Most of us are already aware of how the academic left fluffs its own to absurd, and imaginary, heights of "achievement," but thanks for the reminder anyway.

 

I see, Hitler is still alive then? Is he for Cruz, Trump or Rubio? inquiring minds want to know.

Can't make up this kind of irony folks, only on politicalforum.

 

You're welcome, and we all have Paul Bogdanor to thank for putting himself through the torture of reading and compiling that material for us.

His web page on the Left and its crimes against humanity is also a valuable resource to refute the dope that Chomsky and his ilk have been pushing since the French Revolution:

Left-Wing Bloodbaths
http://www.paulbogdanor.com/left.html
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Particularly, when you consider that the anti-individual/pro-Big Government views of the "progressive" who posted that inane tripe are more akin to the views embraced by Mussolini and Hitler. I wonder if it ever gave him pause to consider how Obama and his policies have been deemed fascist by so many people:

Socialist or Fascist
Thomas Sowell
Jun 12, 2012
http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/06/12/socialist_or_fascist/page/full

Whole Foods CEO: Obamacare Is 'Like Fascism'
Bonnie Kavoussi
01/16/2013
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/16/whole-foods-ceo-obamacare-fascism_n_2488029.html#comments

 

Many prominent progressives were very supportive of the national socialist and fascist regimes until the Hitler/Stalin Pact ended.

 

Indeed, they were:

PROGRESSIVE SUPPORT FOR ITALIAN AND GERMAN FASCISM
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1223

That's one of the many reasons why I put quotation marks around the term "progressive". There's really nothing progressive about our "progressives" at all. Their ideas aren't new and they're antithetical to individual freedom.
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The Geezer is almost 90, I think his biggest problem is who will change his depends.

 

Progressives like Walter Lippmann, Father Caughlin, George Bernard Shaw, Henry Ford, Gertrude Stein, were all rather fond of Hitler and Mussolini.

Walter Lippmann, was the founder of the Socialist Club at Harvard:

"...he described the speech [by Hitler] as a "genuinely statesmanlike address.' ... 'We have heard once more ... the authentic voice of a genuinely civilized people.' ... 'to deny today that Germany can speak as a civilized power because uncivilized things are being done in Germany is in itself a deep form of intolerance.' would it be fair he argued to judge the French by the Terror, Protestantism by the KKK, the Catholic church by the Inquisition,? Or for that matter, 'the Jews by their parvenus?' Walter Lippmann praising Hitler, from Ronald Steele, "Walter Lippmann and The American Century", p.331.

I would guess that Sanders is a fan of Lippmann.

 

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(1989) Necessary Illusions. Boston: South End Press. ISBN 978-0-89608-366-0
(1991) Terrorizing the Neighborhood: American Foreign Policy in the Post-Cold War Era. Stirling, Scotland: AK Press. ISBN 978-0-9627091-2-8
(1991) Deterring Democracy. Verso. ISBN 0-374-52349-5.
(1992) What Uncle Sam Really Wants. Berkeley: Odonian Press. ISBN 1-878825-01-1.
(1992) Chronicles of Dissent: Interviews with David Barsamian. Monroe, ME: Common Courage Press. ISBN 0-921586-24-8.
(1993) Letters from Lexington: Reflections on Propaganda. Monroe, ME: Common Courage Press.
(1993, 2003) The Prosperous Few and the Restless Many. Berkeley: Odonian Press. * 2003 edition by Pluto Press. ISBN 1-878825-03-8.
(1993) Rethinking Camelot: JFK, the Vietnam War, and U.S. Political Culture. Boston: South End Press. ISBN 978-0-89608-458-2.
(1993) World Order and Its Rules: Variations on Some Themes. West Belfast Economic for Mentation. ISBN 978-0-9521888-2-7
(1993) Year 501: The Conquest Continues. Boston: South End Press. ISBN 1-895431-62-X, ISBN 1-895431-63-8.
(1994) Keeping the Rabble in Line: Interviews with David Barsamian. Monroe, ME: Common Courage Press. ISBN 1-56751-032-9.
(1994) Secrets, Lies, and Democracy. Berkley: Odonian Press. ISBN 1-878825-04-6.
(1994) World Orders, Old and New. New York: Columbia University Press.
(1996) Class Warfare: Interviews with David Barsamian. Monroe, ME: Common Courage Press. ISBN 1-56751-092-2.
(1996,1997) Powers and Prospects: Reflections on Human Nature and the Social Order, Boston: South End Press, ISBN 0-89608-535-X /Perspectives on Power: Reflections on Human Nature and the Social Order, Montréal: Black Rose Press, ISBN 1-55164-048-1.
(1997) Class Warfare: Interviewed by David Barsamian. Vancouver: New Star Books. (collects the Common Courage books, "Keeping the Rabble in Line" and "Class Warfare")
(1997) Objectivity and Liberal Scholarship. Detroit: Red & Black. ISBN 978-0-93486-833-4.
(1997) The Cold War and the University. Co-authored with Ira Katznelson, Richard Lewontin, David Montgomery, Laura Nader, Richard Ohmann, Ray Siever, Immanuel Wallerstein, Howard Zinn. ISBN 1-56584-005-4.
(1997) Democracy in a Neoliberal Order: Doctrines and Reality. Cape Town: University of Cape Town.
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(199 The Common Good.
(1999) The Umbrella of US Power: The Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the Contradictions of US Policy. Seven Stories Press. ISBN 978-1-888363-85-2
(1999) Latin America: From Colonization to Globalization. Ocean Press. ASIN B000LCC67M
(1999) Acts of Aggression: Policing "Rogue" States (with Edward Said)
(1999) The New Military Humanism: Lessons from Kosovo. Common Courage Press
(1999) Profit over People: Neoliberalism and Global Order. Seven Stories Press. ISBN 978-1-888363-82-1
(2000) A New Generation Draws the Line: Kosovo, East Timor and the Standards of the West. Verso Books. ISBN 1-85984-789-7
(2000) Rogue States: The Rule of Force in World Affairs. Cambridge: South End Press.
(2001) Propaganda and the Public Mind. South End Press. ISBN 978-0-89608-634-0
(2001) 9-11. Seven Stories Press. ISBN 1-58322-489-0
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(2002) Pirates and Emperors, Old and New: International Terrorism and the Real World. Pluto Press. ISBN 0-7453-1980-7
(2002) Peering into the Abyss of the Future. New Delhi: Institute of Social Sciences.
(2002) Understanding Power: The Indispensable Chomsky. The New Press. ISBN 978-1-56584-703-3
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(2003) Middle East Illusions: Including Peace in the Middle East? Reflections on Justice and Nationhood. Rowman & Littlefield Publishers. ISBN 0-7425-2977-0
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(2003) "Deep Concerns" (Znet article)
(2004) Chomsky on Miseducation (edited by Donaldo Macedo). Lanham, MD: Rowman and Littlefield.
(2004) Getting Haiti Right This Time: The U.S. and the Coup (with Amy Goodman and Paul Farmer). Common Courage Press. ISBN 1-56751-318-2
(2005) Chomsky on Anarchism (ed Barry Pateman). AK Press. ISBN 1-904859-20-8
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(2005) Imperial Ambitions: Conversations on the Post-9/11 World. Metropolitan Books. (Part of the American Empire Project). ISBN 0-8050-7967-X
(2005) A Hated Political Enemy: Allen Bell interviews Noam Chomsky (with Allen Bell). Victoria, BC: Flask. ISBN 978-0-9736853-0-5
(2006) Failed States: The Abuse of Power and the Assault on Democracy. Metropolitan Books. ISBN 0-8050-7912-2. ISBN 0-241-14323-3
(2006) Perilous Power. The Middle East and US Foreign Policy. Dialogues on Terror, Democracy, War, and Justice (with Gilbert Achcar) ISBN 1-59451-312-0
(2007) Interventions. City Lights. ISBN 0-87286-483-9. ISBN 978-0-87286-483-2
(2007) What We Say Goes: Conversations on US Power in a Changing World. ISBN 0-8050-8671-4
(2007) Inside Lebanon: Journey to A Shattered Land with Noam and Carol Chomsky (with A. J. Kfoury, et al.). New York: Monthly Review Press. ISBN 978-1-58367-153-5
(200 The Essential Chomsky. Vintage. ISBN 978-1-59558-189-1
(2010) Hopes and Prospects. Haymarket Books. ISBN 978-1-931859-96-7
(2010) New World of Indigenous Resistance. City Lights Publishers. ISBN 978-0-87286-533-4
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(2010) Gaza in Crisis: Reflections on Israel's War Against the Palestinians (with Ilan Pappé). Hamish Hamilton. ISBN 978-0-241-14506-7
(2011) Power and Terror: Conflict, Hegemony, and the Rule of Force. Boulder: Paradigm Publishers.
(2011) How the World Works. Berkeley: Soft Skull Press. (Compilation of What Uncle Sam Really Wants; The Prosperous Few and the Restless Many; Secrets, Lies and Democracy; and The Common Good.)
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(2011) A New Generation Draws the Line: Humanitarian Intervention and the "Responsibility to Protect" Today (expanded edition). Boulder: Paradigm Publishers.
(2012) Making the Future: Occupations, Interventions, Empire and Resistance. City Lights Publishers. ISBN 978-0-87286-537-2
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(2013) Nuclear War and Environmental Catastrophe. New York: Seven Stories Press. ISBN 9781609804541
(2013) On Anarchism. New Press. ISBN 978-1595589101
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(2015) Because We Say So. City Lights Open Media. ISBN 9780872866577
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky_bibliography_and_filmography#Politics
Why don't you tell us how much "fluff" you've published?

 

No fluff. I've only published in technical journals IN MY FIELD, you know, things I ACTUALLY KNOW ABOUT. Or rather, do tell us why anyone should pay attention to what a purported "linguist" has to say about 99% of the topics on your list, which plainly have NOTHING to do with linguistics? Hmmm? I'll wait. Yeah, didn't think so.

How's that bowl of Q.E.D. tasting right about now? With that loooong list of works having nothing to do with linguistics, you just demonstrated why no one should listen to Chomsky, why no one -does- listen to Chomsky other than gullible, left of bell curve sophomores and career, doctrinaire leftists.

I've read Chomsky, have read lots and lots of things in my life, good and bad. I read Kant and Heidegger for fun, so my estimation of Chomsky as a gibberish-peddler has nothing to do with any comprehension issues on my end.

Chomsky is a one trick, formulaic pony. 1. Misstate US foreign policy, well-documented historical facts. 2. Topple the straw man he creates with the most awkward pretension and gibberish imaginable in order to conceal what he actually is behind the incomprehensible babble and semantic nullities, just another empty-headed sixties radical. 3. Rinse repeat.

 

It sounds like your "career" has produced one giant inferiority complex.
Maybe you can link to something Chomsky's published on politics or philosophy that you believe you understand better than he does. Or maybe you're just another no trick internet troll ?

 

I don't think you understand what an "inferiority complex" is, not that that's even a thing any more in psychology. May as well call someone "neurotic." But sure, typical dumb Chomsky fan, I understand... it's the best you got.

Also, as usual, LWs here are always asking for absurdities, ridiculously high burdens of proof from other political POVs on a casual political forum... while never EVER providing any themselves, nor any cogent, persuasive reasoning, NADA. No idea where that comes from, because I hardly ever see nonleft posters doing that here or anywhere. But we get it, LW gets a pass on burden of proof and evidence with respect to moronic statements like "The GOP is a danger to human survival," (but sure, I'M the troll! not the idiot who says things like that) everyone else must prove their claims to an impossible degree. No, sowwy, not going to go digging for some more of Chomsky's absurdities because PLENTY have been posted to the thread already by Talon, and you haven't addressed -ANY- of them specifically.

 

None of whose opinions on Fascism are worth a pinch of (*)(*)(*)(*). Few people have studied the subject well enough to know or care what Fascism really is.

'Fascism' is one of the most abused terms in the political lexicon precisely because it has come completely adrift from the movements that spawned it and turned into nothing more than an insult. Using the word in a current context is just name calling 99% of the time. Fascism is a very particular political ideology. Unfortunately it has fallen prey to 'internet checklist syndrome', where highly motivated/biased individuals with minimal understanding of Fascism torture the facts to make their 'bad guy' de jure fit the definition. It is a term that has no place in modern democratic politics and its use reflects far more on the user than the object of their abuse.

Lest you think I am playing politics here, I recently spent weeks having the same argument with left wing morons who convinced themselves that Trump was a Fascist. They played the same game of 'checklist Fascism', usually based on reading a quote from some historian on Wikipedia. I was both amused and pleased when a number of prominent historians (including some of the guys quoted in Wiki) in the field came forth with their opinions that Trump was nothing close to a Fascist. Obama isn't either.

Much as I deduct IQ points for people who quote Chomsky, I do the same for people who abuse the term 'Fascist'. As I don't know you I'm going to assume you are an intelligent person who has been misled. I hope I'm not wrong.

 

So were many prominent Conservatives. Churchill was very much an outlier, and even that appears to have been a tactical choice at first. In the case of Germany they were the ones that delivered Herr Hitler to power. In Italy Mussolini's came to power at the behest of the Monarchy & conservative elites, though he did have support from other segments of society. That was the pattern for Fascist movements in Europe - small amounts of support from 'the left', usually working class, LARGE amounts of support from conservatives of various sorts. Wherever they started, Fascist movements virtually always ended up residing on the right: Falange, Iron Guard, Rexists, BUF, Arrow Cross, Ustache etc. etc.

 

Perfect description of Chomsky. Sadly he has spawned legions of imitators.

 

None?

That's a mighty broad brush you're painting with, bigfella.

I think it's clear that Thomas Sowell knows exactly what fascism is and what it involves, and I don't see where John Mackey is inaccurate regarding some of the elements in ObamaCare. If you have a substantive rebuttal to their observations, I'll be glad to entertain it.

No argument here.

I don't think Obama fits the classical definition of a fascist, either, most particularly because he isn't a rabid nationalist like Mussolini, Hitler and most fascists are by nature. However, his policies which promote de facto government control over the economy and many aspects of individuals' personal lives are consistent with fascism.

I'll give you credit for treating Chomsky with a healthy does of skepticism, but I do reject your assertion or implication that I misused the term fascist. I did not use or intend to use the term as some sort of facile and puerile insult - it was used with the tenets of fascism in mind, and it's not a term I use lightly for the reasons that you have articulated.

 

From OP

"'Today, the Republican Party has drifted off the rails,' Chomsky, a frequent critic of both parties, said in an interview Monday with The Huffington Post. 'It’s become what the respected conservative political analysts Thomas Mann and Norman Ornstein call ‘a radical insurgency’ that has pretty much abandoned parliamentary politics.”

"Chomsky cited a 2013 article by Mann and Ornstein published in Daedalus, the journal of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, analyzing the polarization of the parties. The authors write that the GOP has become 'ideologically extreme, scornful of facts and compromise, and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.'"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/noam-chomsky-gop_us_56a66febe4b0d8cc109aec78?utm_hp_ref=politics

Chomsky recognizes the US political system is essentially a one party business party with factions called Democrats and Republicans, but, while there are small differences between the factions, they can make a "huge difference in systems of enormous power" --like that wielded by the president.

If it's true, the level of political dysfunction seen today is greater than at any point in the last fifty years, that's partially because the recent mindset of the Republican Party (endorsed by all the clowns in the car) is one of radical insurgency, dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition

Hence, voting for free market clowns who value campaign contributions from "free market" billionaires over the process of debate and deliberation could well pose a "serious danger to human survival."

https://www.amacad.org/publications/daedalus/spring2013/13_spring_daedalus_MannOrnstein.pdf

 

This seems like hair-splitting to me. Although Hollande was rich, his ideas were anti-business and he persevered with them. So much so that he trashed the economy and now everyone hates him and the National Front xenophobes are reaping the benefits.

 

Why would anyone except a rich socialist support austerity?

"Thousands of people took to the streets of Paris on Saturday (2014) to protest against austerity and condemn French President Francois Hollande for betraying his voters.

"The demonstration gathered around 5,000 people, RT’s Ilya Petrenko reported from the French capital.

"A variety of left-wing political forces occupied an entire street in downtown Paris for the rally."

https://www.rt.com/news/205911-paris-austerity-rally-hollande/