North America’s Building Trades Unions is endorsing President Biden for 2024

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

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    North America’s Building Trades Unions is endorsing President Biden for 2024, and the union is out with a new ad slamming former President Trump. NABTU President Sean McGarvey joins Morning Joe to discuss.

    This 2 minute ad is killer!

    Repubs are going to have a tough time refuting what he says.

    The ad starts at @1:21 goes to @3:23
     
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    When organizations endorse a candidate there is money, or favors involved. You can take that to the bank. But, the rank and file membership will always vote for the candidate of their choice. And you can take that to the bank. So the endorsing of a candidate by an organization is mostly symbolic as far as votes are concerned.
     
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    Definitely!

    When unions endorse Biden, the "favors" benefit workers sometimes at the expense of billionaires. When billionaires endorse Trump the favors benefit billionaires at the expense of the workers.
     
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    I would too! This deficit spending is going to construction projects. As a been there, done that, I couldn't care less about bidding a turd farm or a solar plant. Get the plans, the estimator does the take off I write up the bid, and hope to get the job.
    It is not my job as a contractor to ask, Do you really need a $5000 single entry door, into the restroom?
     
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    Sounds like good news. I hope they make the buildings large enough to house the 7million+ ILLEGALS that invaded us under Dirty Joe's watch
     
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    Almost never since 2000 and let's not forget union workers outside of government represent the smallest fractional part of the current American Work force since WWII and the number drops every year.
    Note this is no longer the fifties and sixties where voting the wrong way if discover could mean a bunch of union goons on your doorstep. Current union leadership is about as much out of touch with the workers they supposedly represent as the CEO's they have dinner with time to time.
     
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    Hm...I don't know if I would equate unions with workers. Compared to what it used to be the Democrats have the appearance of having abandon workers and arguably in some instance have abandoned the working class. We have exactly the same situation in Australia with our so-called (leftwing) Labour party, that is federally in power at the moment. Virtue signaling stuff about getting manufacturing going ...but in reality it is almost as much a party for the elites as their right-wing nemesis, the Liberal party (not to be confused with small 'L' leftwing liberals.

    Now of course unions will always go for Biden because the Right seems to hate unions.

    An interesting aside is does the West still have a working class or do we just import enough immigrants on demand to do our work - or buy stuff cheap from overseas? Notwithstanding that argument there is still a traditional working class group of people that need something useful to do. It's not like that demographic will disappear overnight and turn into a technology savvy white collar workers generation. I see a number of existential crises coming up in the US and across the West. Not just for the working class but through the middle class as well (that can't even seem to afford a house for instance).
     
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    Good ad. Good fun.

    I put a few other points in my post above, though, that might interest you .
     
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    So not a great time to be a worker, eh? You're pretty much just at the wim of your employer.
     
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    Out this way, contractor use migrant workers.. The only place that adheres to union labor are union plants.. So I really don't see the big deal, as long as bydummie continues to ignore the border the migrants will eventually replace union wage with low paid migrant workers..
     
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    Pretty much, latinos are actually better workers for less money..

    Very talented, multi trained and are willing to do any and all jobs, unlike union worker that only do their specific job/positions.
     
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    In all honesty, this is about as newsworthy as announcing the NRA endroses Trump. Of course they do.
     
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    How many decades have rolled by with the same rhetoric and none of that bullshit ever happens. Republicans or Democrat..

    So what's next, better ghettos too..

    That nothing more than a production for the oblivious Suckers that paid no attention over the last 60 years..
     
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    Why are you shocked at this?
    Its a union, of course it endorsed the democratic party candidate.
     
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    Almost never since 2000 and let's not forget union workers outside of government represent the smallest fractional part of the current American Work force since WWII and the number drops every year.
    Note this is no longer the fifties and sixties where voting the wrong way if discover could mean a bunch of union goons on your doorstep. Current union leadership is about as much out of touch with the workers they supposedly represent as the CEO's they have dinner with time to time.
    Depends entirely on your skill set. And it will get worse if Biden wins.
     
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    That building trades union probably wants high levels of immigration to continue, in hopes that it will create more housing demand and guarantee more employment and money for them.

    Plus a lot of the contractors like their low cost undocumented construction laborers. You wouldn't be able to hire an American construction laborer in the U.S. for $18 an hour.

    Obviously it's unrealistic to expect employers to support cutting off their low cost supply of workers.
     
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    So if Trump wins, this will empower employees? Fascinating conjecture. :)
     
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    Yes, I've never observed that in the US but I have observed that in Australia. And a good friend of mine, actually a centrist (mostly leaning Republican) observed that as well in the US. It seems to be absolutely true.

    We don't have a lot of Latinos in Aus but we really missed after covid the international workers that would come and work in the restaurants. The simple truth is that Australians, particularly white young Australians, don't like doing that sort of work. They prefer not working in manufacturing either. Perhaps we have a different problem than the US - where you have a substantial demographic that still does want to do that sort of work. My guess is that you'll follow us shortly and become a de-skilled over-educated nation :rolleyes:

    (This is anecdotal and just one example, but I think it rings true.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news.com.au/finance/business/manufacturing/aussie-boss-says-one-generation-has-gutted-the-nations-manufacturing-industries/news-story/34b99d28c357a1225f1fe95db3b3064d?amp)
     
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    What you don't understand is that it's a pyramid scheme. While it might seem good and beneficial at first, eventually it results in big problems.

    You're in Australia, which is at the point where the U.S. was in the mid-1990s.

    What you don't understand is eventually it will get to the point where young Australians will be unable to find part-time work, because that sector will have been almost completely taken over by adult immigrants.

    And eventually those immigrants (and their children) are no longer going to be satisfied with those lower level jobs. Eventually the phenomena of "jobs Australians don't want to do" is going to start moving upward on the hierarchy of jobs. That's when many white Australians will no longer feel they can afford to have families or children. That stage of economic succession might be coming to you by 2040, or so.
    You might want to take a better look at what has transpired in the U.S. and U.K., and what is just beginning to happen right now in Canada.
     
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    Front Office is for Bribed Joe.
    The folks in hard hats are for Trump

    'Former President Donald Trump is back in a Manhattan courtroom after a Wednesday break. On the way to court Thursday morning, Trump stopped at a construction site where he received an enthusiastic welcome from workers chanting, “USA! USA! USA!”'

    A much different chant than DEATH TO AMERICA

    'That just happened to occur the morning after President Joe Biden received the endorsement of the North America’s Building Trades Unions leadership in Washington. While Biden met with the bigwigs, Trump felt the love of the hard hats. As with Trump’s visit to a Harlem bodega last week, the stop-by was a planned event — these things don’t happen by accident. But it showed that even as he stands trial, Trump can work in a campaign event before court convenes.'

    https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1783476988260303187
     
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    I'm always at you about your anti-immigrant stance, but I think there's a kernel of truth in that. Also both fed governments in Aus, Right or Left, have an incentive to keep the immigrants flowing in because it creates an unnatural boost to the economy and always keeps us in a surplus. The government that slows down immigration is going to have bad economic numbers. We are technically in a recession but as far as the books are concerned we haven't been in a recession for decades due to our influx of immigrants.

    But of course there are real concerns. We sometimes do need that labour. This xtends from the blue collar work shortage to a skilled Labor shortage as well. It's a real phenomenon.

    There is no easy way out of this path. But to be frank - and here is a devil's advocate question to muse upon. We have had waves of non-caucasian and caucasian visa workers and immigrants since we can remember. Would you believe a Chinese wave during the gold rush, then Irish, then Germans then Greeks, then Italians, then Vietnamese and Cambodians. Overall they have enriched our nation and what makes you think that the up and coming wave is going to be any different?
     
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    FYI for anyone interested.


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    For those that might be surprised at number 2, Koreans are hard workers, like beer and like Australia. I don't think it's an accident...
     
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    Still more than the number of billionaires.
     
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    "Equate"? Unions ARE workers.

    Exactly the opposite: workers have abandoned unions. And, for that reason, they don't enjoy the benefits. But workers that ARE unionized work under better conditions. Democrats support unions. I wasn't too sure about Biden. Biden represents the right wing of the Democratic Party. But this thread shows he's coming through.

    They haven't always gone with Democrats. And I was concerned about them not going with Biden. Looks like Biden is bringing them over, though.

    In this country, everybody is an immigrant.

    If you have a job, most likely you are middle class, with starting wages as high as they are now.
     
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