there we agree...the woman's an @rsehole of biblical proportions...as are most of the players in this fiasco
I can see why May is thinking she may need Martial Law cont'd https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/us-lobbyists-brexit_uk_5c5b26c6e4b00187b5579f64 It goes on and on. So much for us being in charge or having more democracy - just weaker protections for the citizen. For the NHS They seem to have a particular liking for taking away protections and keeping people in the dark about it. This seems to be particularly true in giving us GM food and not informing us of hormones in what we are eating. What the heck this one means I hate to think and here we get to the overt intention to over rule the checks on democracy I cannot look any more. It is turning my stomach . Now I never ever voted for any of this so I will do whatever I can to stop any deal that would leave the UK open to this barbarism as well of course as working to free Scotland through Independence. No way do I want to visit the Dracula Den, you guys seem to want. The US has also been getting roused to make things difficult for the UK if they do not have the Irish situation as suits the Irish. I think the only thing to be hoped for is that the US decide not to do business with the UK...but the UK is going to be so desperate it will be begging.
Yes I would like to think that the British will take responsibility for the disaster when it comes, as it surely will. The UK leaves the golf club, where it was a reasonably important player, despite the fact that every time it wanted the rules changing the other members tended to oblige. The members say that the UK can still come and play the golf course if it wants (well it is the nearest and best golf course around) but it will have to agree to play by the rules, and because it isn't a member any more, well it won't have any say over what those rules are. But the reality is that the UK is having none of it. How outrageous! Those dastardly Europeans... rant, rant rant! And nothing has happened yet but already foreigners in the UK feel hatred, hostility and violence and are leaving as fast as they can. This is the most stupid self inflicted political policy since the Corn Laws. Large parts of the country are simply infected with bigotry, prejudice and ignorance. It is simply not true that marginalised areas voted for Brexit. Liverpool, Manchester and Leeds all were anti-Brexit. As was Scotland. As was Northern Ireland. The Midlands, Wales, the North East and vast areas of the Home Counties and the West Country did this. The ignorant, the old and propertied, the prejudiced and the selfish. This runs deep. The lack of a simple understanding that trade, commerce and exchange are of mutual benefit, that they cannot happen without pooling of sovereignty to some extent, that if you want someone to scratch your back you need to scrap someone else, all this is lost on people today. The sickness is in the very body politic of the nation. Until the country experiences the devastating effect of separation then people will never learn. Soft Brexit is really not Brexit, just surrender of any influence. Soft Brexit won't cure the British illness of ignorance and prejudice. We need a hard no deal Brexit to be cured of this illness now. Ten years of utter disaster. Now. So when Sunderland and Swindon has 50% unemployment after sane industrialists disinvest from the UK (a no brainer decision that will not even be a matter of debate in multinational corporations - even British ones - once this goes through), and the monkey hangers in Hartlepool are all eating in soup kitchens, economic growth in Wales is at minus 10% per annum, the City of London has lost 30% of jobs to Dublin and Amsterdam, the supermarkets are full of chlorinated chicken and the UK is a "rule taker" from the de-regulated USA, food prices have doubled, crops rot in the filed because there are no immigrants to pick them and the locals won't do it... etc. whom do you think those troglodytes will blame? It won't be themselves. Still the UK, my country, deserves everything it gets. It voted for Brexit from ignorance, gullibility and prejudice. And it is still complacently pro-Brexit today. Brexit Britain may never blame itself for the disaster it is inflicting on the nation, but hopefully the next generation will learn from this and reject blind nationalism and isolationism for several generations to come. Then we will scurry back and beg for readmission, but there will be no rebate, no special deals and probably by then, no veto. But we will be cured for a time. That's our best chance.
Yes when the "little englanders" wake up and realise we have not been a world power since Suez it is going to be quite a shock for them. Hopefully we can get rid of the ruling elites that have got us into this mess..
The stupidity of the little Englanders is that before this the UK was a highly respected snd influential nation with enormous soft power. I live in Asia and the UK now is a has-been, past-it, quaintly historical nation now. This happened almost overnight. Xi Jinping was courting the UK as a potential ally in Europe...and then he wasn't any more. The whole world now sees us as an irrelevance. These bigots have done incredible damage to the international influence of the UK. From global leader at the Heart of Europe, to rule taking vassal state of the USA.
You are of course welcome to your opinion my brother. I do agree with some of the things you said regarding the 'deprived' areas which voted for Brexit. I voted based on my 10 years of research into the EU and thought that the debates on both sides during the referendum were full of lies and propaganda. Had I not done the research I had, it would've made voting very difficult. I would however, completely disagree with your assessment on the future after the EU. You seem to think that after we leave, that the EU will remain strong but I think that is blind ignorance to what is actually going on in Europe at the moment. The EU is desperately trying to hold it's dying breath. There is no way that as you claim, we were able to change the course of the EU or impose any real change. Look at the deal Cameron came back with prior to the referendum! That is probably the primary reason for the leave vote. If you believe that most people who voted leave are racist and stupid then you really do watch too much TV my brother. I notice you have an Eire passport in your picture, have you seen how much money they are demanding from the EU to cover all the lost sales to the UK? Our trade deficit is -£80b. Good luck filling that hole! We are an importer of goods, most countries are exporters. What do you think is in higher demand? Consumers or Sellers? You need to accept that we voted to leave and get behind the country. Any other position at this point is tantamount to treason.
That was funny. I don't think so though. Maybe it will be so when you lot have been in power a bit more and turned us into a European Singapore. I know the attachment of Brexiters to freedom of speech, freedom of association and freedom of the press is more aligned with the government of Singapore than the traditions of English liberty. I'll stick with my right as a freeborn Englsihman thank-you so you can stick your treason where the sun don't shine. As to all the research you apparently did. It doesn't show. I do get it that the objective for some is to destroy the EU and create a wholly deregulated world where Britain can chance its arm in the chaos at re-establishing its greatness. Let's have a re-set, impoverish the nation but take everyone down with us, and then we can be King of the ruins. It's an extreme libertarian vision a la ... Singapore. I actually like Singapore, as a citizen also of Asia it is relatively liberal. But it is an act of supreme self hatred to see Singapore as some sort of step forward for a nation as powerful and influential as the UK. The EU does need reform but this isn't some game of chicken. Maybe you really will bring the house tumbling down but that won't benefit the UK. It will make it even worse. Trading and political blocs are not zero sum games. They are mutually beneficial arrangements. You can stay in English: it's an Irish passport. The action of the Brexiters is one more piece of abuse of Ireland. Despite the six counties of Northern Ireland voting to stay, the representatives of one third of that electorate are enabling a Brexit that will damage the Irish economy. That the British government would be driven by these medieval bigots is just one more example of the depths to which they have sunk. As to your import/export drivel you are missing a lot of things. The damage done to Financial Services will be clear. How do you think a country survives when it consumes more than it produces? It survives through such services. And let me asked you how much you have researched how the manufacturing we do will go? Do you have the slightest understanding of the interconnectability of modern supply chains? Britain's manufacturing has always been despised by Tories. This will finish it off for good.
The petition was for those not happy. You of course are. As to democracy, that is certainly not as this has gone. The hard Brexiters have demanded that only they be heard ignoring the vast majority of people of the UK. They also believe democracy ended with their vote. Anyway it was an English Nationalist vote so what could one expect, as Heroclitus suggests the irony is it has gone the opposite of their dreams and will end Britain's role as a power player and is making her a laughing stock of the world. As well of course as almost certainly ending the Union but dream on.
The referendum was for to remain in the EU or to leave the EU. It was an extremely easy thing to comprehend. For some utterly bizarre reason, remainers believe leave means to keep bits they like. I'm not sure if the education system is to blame over the decades but they've certainly put the UK at the forefront of the laughing stock on the world's stage with their utterly mindless mentality. We had a referendum, to REMAIN or to LEAVE. Very simple. No it's, no bits, no what about. We leave. Then we start trade negotiations with other countries of the world. We will have trade tariffs in place with EU countries. As we import more from the EU, we simply buy less, their sales & profit become lower and parts of their industry shut down. They need us more than we need them. And the remainers fear mongering tactics are childishly embarrassing.
Wrong no but very very stupid yes. Footnote I remember being in a English Pub shortly after the UK became part/join the EU and a gentleman was telling me how they would come to control the EU and I could not help myself when I ask him what the hell was Germany was going to be doing when you guys was taking over the EU.
Nice that the older voters of the UK had decided to shut the door on the freedoms of their younger countrymen being able to move an work and made a home in any of the other nations of the EU at their whim. My bet is that any number of them had hear the prison doors slamming shut right after that vote.
I don't deny that you and Rees Mogg's intention was to ruin the UK and you believe you won that vote and are determined to make it so. I understand Rees Moggs position, the intent to make a loot of money out of it which is why he has moved his assets to Ireland. I understand that to the Tory Party keeping themselves together and feeding the extreme right who used to be an embarrassment to them is more important than the country. I understand that Brexiters want us to be a colony of the US. I understand that Brexiters believed that if they could once, just once convince people by lies to vote their way, they would end democracy and bring in authoritarian society - note James Knapp above believing people are traitors if they do not bow to the Brexiters and keep quiet. Well done, ruining your country. Well done hoping to put England under an authoritarian regime Well done changing what you were saying during the Referendum and having the Tories with you - during the Referendum many leavers were suggesting a Norway like leave. Well done continuing to lie and stop all discussion. Well done having a big ego trip and for once feeling a man as you destroy your country. Have any of your heroes been able to show, rather than just say that there is any hope of just one thing better for the UK on leave? No they have not, as I was listening to the ex head of the WTO say yesterday we have chosen to leave the Grade A economic community for Grade C. All for the ego's of people with nothing more in their lives than the hope of being big by destroying their country and as Billrm says above the future of their young. On the laughing of us. Was listening to a Bloomberg talk on Brexit last night. The lecturer was trying to be polite about the UK. He mentioned the UK being pragmatic. The until then very serious audience burst out laughing and all hope of seriousness left as it became a comedy act. All for the ego's of those who have never achieved....and all this done while you ignore the real problem facing humanity - the very real issue of human extinction - something which we may already have passed the threashold for and will most certainly do if the wealth of the world is not put working on that now.....all something you have no interest in as you work to for once to be able to believe you are a man by forcing your country to ruin and the inability to fight human extinction.
Haha you think free movement is a legitimate reason for voting remain! And to think you call me stupid. Still can’t wait to leave ☺️
Younger and older generations are free to emigrate, don't let anyone stop you. Currently, the useless types are free to move around in the EU, hence the 73 billion hand and sponge car wash outlets and kebab/pizza takeaways in the UK. You might find that useless, many don't.
LOL one of my bosses working for an international firm needed to leave the US and return to England due to his work visa running out. Seems nonsense on it face but that is what nonsense you people are opening yourself to where useful and needed people will not be allow to enter the UK from the EU such as nurses and doctors and teachers beside people who wash cars.
If a country is short of more skilled workers, it only highlights the inefficiencies of the education system. If the UK can boot out the undesirables so the strain on the NHS is alleviated, the pressure to bring in outside doctors and nurses is not needed. Also, people assume these doctors and nurses are of any use. Also, Currently, the useless types are free to move around in the EU, hence the 73 billion hand and sponge car wash outlets and kebab/pizza takeaways in the UK. You might find that useful, many don't. Word corrected in bold, just noticed after editing time expired.
Young, working age people are not putting the strain on the NHS. In the main that's retired people who have paid in their whole lives and are now taking full advantage of healthcare that's free at the point of access. "Foreigners coming here and clogging up the NHS" is yet another example of the anti-immigrant rhetoric which is typical during and after any recession and which was a major factor for some people's decision to vote Brexit.
Some voted based on economics, some voted wanting house prices to collapse to get onto the property ladder, some voted for sovereignty, some voted because they were frightened to leave the EU, and others voted for a billion and one other reasons. Old people paid into the system over their working lives, if it was deemed not a sufficient amount, then raise taxes. Yes, immigration also clogs the hospital's.
Yes there were a variety of factors but anti-immigration rhetoric (and its dogwhistle friend "control over our borders") was prominent in the Leave campaign. Good luck with that. It does however highlight a key message, a lot of the issues with access to local services had absolutely nothing to do with immigration, as claimed by the Leave campaign, and everything to do with the UK government's austerity programme in which taxes were reduced for the richest in society and the burden of the savings to pay for those tax cuts fell disproportionately on those who could afford it least, the disabled and working poor. Not to any significant degree, and not at all when the tax contributions of immigrants are taken into account.
