Nov 2012: Obama's Impeachment?

It's a bad case of *Obaaaaama* worship, birddog. They're coming to terms with his loserness and it's getting ugly. Expect it to get worse before November... when the American VOTERS will remove him from office, with no help from Congress required.

 

What another very odd statement.

That would be like me saying that you represent all Conservatives, when you just represent a small niche of extremist Conservatives.

 

Apparently the OP doesn't- and since you never objected to her claim- what a shock- you don't either.

But I am glad to educate those who just can't find the time to read the Constitution.

 

I was smart enough to realize she was just using a "play on words." It's sad you were not smart enough to see that.

 

that's a poor excuse for twisting meanings

 

That same religious tripe was bandied about when Kennedy was elected. There had never before been a Catholic President. It was a non-issue in the voting.

There will be no religious issue in the election. Most of it comes from the liberal media anyway. The election will be about inditing obama for his many failures, compared to Romney, unexciting, but with much success, against an ideological demagogue that has failed.

 

Its all very easy to look at the worsening economy and point it all on Obama. but let's take a look at some of the reasons for it.

When Bush left office, the world was already in the midst of a recession which in turn was created by the senseless wars against Iran and Afghanistan. What reasons did we have for those wars?
- On Iraq, first it was the weapons of mass destruction, then it was the pretext of removing a dictator or a multitude of so many different reasons that its a feat to even keep a track of all of them. The real reason of course was the oil.
- In Afghanistan, it was the US that created the Taliban and provided them with weapons during the civil war. It was exactly these type of inteventionist policies which Ron Paul is firmly against that these people want to attack the US.

Going back to the recession. US is not the only country suffering from slowdown in the economy with rising inflation. Just take a look at the banking crisis and bailouts across Europe.

As for the gas prices, what measure does the GOP propose. Drill more? That's only a very short term measure. At least the Democrats have been looking in to alternative sources of fuel to reduce dependence on oil, all of which the GOP oppose. Why you may ask? Simply because a lot of infuluential republicans (George W Bush notable amongst them) have vested interest in oil companies. Its the same reason they block any bill to remove tax cuts on these companies. And even as oil prices are rising, these companies not only reaping benefits from the tax breaks but are actually recording record profits. Why then blame Obama for it when the blame lies fully with the GOP.

The housing bubble. Gingrich was a lobbyist for Freddie Mac. On his financial disclosure statement, Romney reported owning between $250,001 and $500,000 in a mutual fund (and I am not referring to blind trusts here) that invests in debt notes of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, among other government entities. Over the previous year, he had reported earning between $15,001 and $50,000 in interest from those investments. Ron Paul predicted the housing crisis almost a decade ago and those same people who cry over it, mock Ron Paul. Irony?

The debt is also a by product of the two wars. If the US had not commited to them the BOP would be showing a much healthier outlook.

The increase in Health Insurance Premiums is only by 25% over a 4 year period or an average of 6.25% per year which if you take in to account inflation, is not really that much.

And as the economy shows signs of finally improving, Romney goes out on record to say that it was Bush who is responsible for it. I am baffled as to how even he could say that with a straight face.

If you think the economy's a mess now, I shudder to think what it would be under a GOP PResident specially someone like Romney; a corporate croney. If you reallly wanna understand how his campaign works, read The Appeal by John Grisham to get some eye opening insights in to how elections are often bought in corporate America.

 

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Bush is not on the ballot for 2012. Thought you should know that.

 

Frankly I hope you are right that the evangelicals will not let their views of Mormons affect their vote.

The election will be about the economy for the most part. If unemployment is still high, the only reason Obama gets re-elected is if the Republicans screw up.

 

P-K-B ! That's the lefty mode.

 

are you admitting to using methods like those of iron curtain security corps?

specifically: twisting meanings, then passing them off as an innocent play on words

 

No, leftys like you. Progressive/lefty/liberal, pretty much all the same to me.

I'm a fair and open minded person. Responsible patriots need not fear.

 

Not sure you can use progressive/lefty/liberal and patriot in the same post. Liberal patriot is like jumbo shrimp... oxymoron.

 

When are you going to start demonstrating that?

 

So you think a businessman will do a worst job than the community activist who got us into this mess.

That's funny... but not as funny as thinking Obama & Company aren't trying to buy his re-election. Right now, Michelle & the girls are fundraising in the west, Barack's fundraising in th east and Biden's got middle America. They're desperately trying to raise enough money to buy the election. Anybody who thinks they're not is mistaken... even fiction writer, John Grisham.

I'm concerned about what Obama's done to our standing in the world. Dropping 4 places in competitiveness and losing our AAA credit rating is devastating... and wouldn't have happened if he had outspent every president in history during his very first year in office.

Not sure how you can blame that on Bush. He wasn't the one who flushed trillions down the toilet with absolutely nothing to show for it.

 

Don't make it personal, SFJEFF. The topic is Obama, not what you think of conservative posters.

I believe Obama will lose by a landslide in Nov... no impeachment proceedings necessary. You think it'll be close?

 

Funny you don't seem to have a problem when you or Bird get personal. If you were sticking to the topic rather than what you or Bird think about liberal posters, the thread might not get derailed.

I think the election will be largely determined by the economy. If the economy gets worse between now and then, I think there will be a landslide. As it is, i think Romney is probably a 60/40 favorite in my mind to get elected but I think it will be close. Obama will probably lose unless the Republicans screw it up big time- but I never underestimate the ability of either the DNC or the RNC to screw things up.

 

Wait, you're saying that the recession was caused by the wars? I've not heard that theory before. Please elaborate!

 

i'm a conservative businessman, not leftist at all, but i don't get taken in by politicians pandering to nationalism/patriotism

 

I didn't put "liberal patriot" together. I see your point. However, I believe some liberals are patriotic. Their minds are just warped in other ways.

 

Good point.

 

Romney is only an exception to what Bush was and since his policies led us to disaster, Romney's policies will only make things worse.
Let's recap:
- Bush waged war on Iraq and Afghanistan. Romney supported both. In fact, he even wants to invade Iran now which would further put a strain on the economy.
- Housing bubble was engineered by the Govt in an attempt to hide the macroeconomic weaknesses created by the war combined with a decrease in taxes (beneficiaries being mainly the top 1%) and this is not me saying. This is according to Joseph Stigliza, a Nobel laureate:
http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/the-price-of-9-11. Moreover, Romney still has investments in Freddie Mac and has profited greatly from it.
- Oil production in the US is at its highest ever. Romeny is against looking for alternative sources. Romney is against ending tax cuts on oil companies which even in a downtrodden economy with rising gas prices are actually having record profits.
- Romney hasn't proposed any way to reduce the deficit. His plan to incade Iran is only going to make things worse.

I do think that Romney is a savvy businessman but his ambitions to become President only reek of a thirst for power and bringing in policies that would only benefit the elite 1%; the reason why he has so many millionaire donors and also why he flip flops on every issue saying what he thinks the public wants to hear. I do believe he could be a good President if he wasn't corrupt to the core.

Obama I admit has not done a stand up job as far as the economy is concerned but its a far better one than Romney would do since he isn't concerned about the people but only in how he and his cronies would benefit.

Also, it was Bush who inherited an economy in surplus and turned it into a deficit in his 8 painful years of office. By the time he went out, it was evident that it was going to take years to sort the mess out. A lot of what has happened to the economy during Obama's tenure, can be attributed to the Bush era.

I admit the recession was not cause by the wars but the wars contributed greatly to it. The war costs total approx 3 to 5 trillion dolloars including direct spending of $2 trillion – $17,000 for every US household – with bills yet to be received increasing this amount by more than 50%.

Here's an interesting article:
http://www.cepr.net/index.php/economics-and-the-elections-the-war-and-the-recession/

 

. well , I hate to be the bearer of bad news , but in an ABC News show broadcast Tuesday , on the Diane Sawyer ABC Nightly News , the poll said that if the election were held today , Obama would get 58 % of the vote , Romney would get 34 % of the vote , with 8 % un-decided ...

Now , I don't know what your polls say , Flounder is the poll guy on PF , but it looks to me like it's 4 more for Barry ...

 

Unfortunately most of the conservatives here refuse to look at facts but believe their own distorted views to be facts.

 

I'm not seeing those numbers.

Iraq War: 705 to 800 billion

Afghanistan War (so far): 444 billion and rising

So since 9/11 that averages to less than 120 billion a year. For the size of our economy and budget, I don't see any connection to the recession.