NY prosecutors say Trump investigation extends beyond hush money payments

Well thank god your not rich and running for office, I'm sure a Republican AG would be happy to go on a witch hunt to try to find anything on you or your businesses. This type of Nazi tactics are just that, it's sickening that this is what lefties have resorted to but hey what's good for the goose is good for the gander. You won't ever find any prosecution of Trump with this, it's dumb, it's frivolous, it's illegal. You far left partisans have gone off the deep end trying to ruin people that don't agree with your far far left opinions. You said Trump wouldn't accept the election results yet you guys are the ones who didn't accept it. You started the Russian hoax and continued with BS like this to overturn an election, pathetic. You've divided this country and your candidates are now fair game going forward, you can rest assure these witch hunts will continue with every dem president moving forward, congrats lefties.

 

Wacko lefties new line is get prosecutors to get warrants to find anything to overturn an election so the American peoples votes don't really count. Sounds like something Putin would do. Pathetic.

 

The only thing sad here is the way the Trump faction now pretends it is "Nazi" like for those associated with the president to have to obey the same laws that we do. No, it isn't illegal for a grand jury to issue subpoenas. I'm sorry you are scared of Trump getting caught, but please try treating history with enough respect to not make fake Nazi comparisons just because you are worried that Trump might be subject to the same rule of law as the rest of us.

 

Subpoenas. Not warrants. Subpoenas. And the grand jury requested the subpoenas. If you think that that "sounds like something Putin would do," then you either don't know who Putin is or you think it is somehow authoritarian for Trump to be subject to the same rule of law as the rest of us. But since you falsely believe that this has anything to do with "overturning an election" then I won't hold my breath for homework here.

I'm sorry you think the rule of law that applies to everyone else in the country is "wacko."

 

In 2015, financial documents revealed that he inflated the value of his golf courses, in total, by roughly $1B. So ya, bank fraud is a big one.

 

Yawn, what law hasn't Trump followed. We hear you talking, we see your leaders doing anything possible to find something he's done wrong, even when it's completely unwarranted. We have laws, a prosecutor doesn't get to get personal records to find a crime, he has to have real evidence of a crime. Your side looks like f'ing idiots continuing these witch hunts because people don't agree with you. Now this guy wants 8 years of records to find something, why didn't he do that before Trump was President. What we see here is Insurance Plan number two by the wacko left....

 

Right, Putin would never use government to persecute or destroy political opponents. Maybe you need to read up a little mr historian.

 

I'm not 100% sure the SCOTUS ruled on the scope and validity of THIS subpoena, although the lower court judge and appeals court definitely did.

I think the SCOTUS take was that the POTUS is not immune from subpoenas in general from a state in a criminal case.

 

Trump argued that he and everyone else associated with him is above the law when it comes to the subpoenas that you and I would have to obey. He lost that argument. You call that "Nazi." Now, as someone who had family in a Nazi camp, your argument is full of ****, desperate, dishonest Nazi-baiting aside, the attorney had enough cause to convince the grand jury. I'm sorry you are so upset that Trump is subject to the same rule of law as the reset of us. I'm sorry you think that the rule of law that the rest of us are subject to is "Nazi." I'll let you know when my grandfather stops rolling over in his grave over you cheap political shot designed to claim that Trump is above the law.

 

Even if meaningful what has this to do with anything?

 

POTUS wasn't the one issued a subpoena. He was actually arguing that anyone associated with him was immune to subpoenas, and it is telling that this was his one and only legal defense. If he had a better one, he would have used it. Looks like he's just going to have to obey the same laws as the rest of us.

 

A Leopard rarely changes its spots

 

Basically they said that Congress has to show a "heightened need", but that the Trump admin cannot claim blanket immunity over any criminal case:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/08/supreme-court-trump-tax-returns-financial-records-353428

Basically they said that the lower courts do have a right to see the records, IF they pertain to a criminal proceeding (which they do).

 

What do you think makes me “far left”? The fact that I recognise that trump is a corrupt moron? That doesn’t mean I’m “left”. It shows I’m perceptive.

I’m actually conservative.

 

Government authorities on fishing expeditions is a trait of autocratic rule, like Stalin, not of constitutional republicanism that establishes individual unassailable rights. I suppose if the police knocked on your door and asked to look around for whatever they might find, you would welcome them with open arms and probably feed them tea and trumpets as they tossed all of your possessions -- because you have nothing to fear.

 

Except that doesn’t seem to be what’s happening. Prosecutors can’t create subpoenas. They have to ask for them from judges or grand juries, and meet a threshold to get them.

Nobody should be immune from investigation. Nobody.

 

You do understand subpoenas and warrants are not the same thing...... or maybe not. Warrants require specific information in order to protect individual rights against unwarranted search and seizure. Subpoenas are a dime a dozen and can be squashed only after the fact.

 

Essentially the Vance is saying the witch hunt found nothing so we got to "expand" it to try and find something,...anything....

 

When your former personal attorney goes under oath in front of Congress and tells them about potential crimes you both witnessed and participated in, that is the "Jaws" of fishing expeditions.

 

I understand they aren't the same thing and already stated such, though not sure the Trump supporters understand. The grand jury apparently saw enough justification for a subpoena, and Trump's only defense was that his associates are above the law due to his position. That argument failed.

 

No, that's a potential witness with potential corroboration.

Edit: lol, sorry, totally misunderstood what you were saying there. Apologies.

 

It’s more the other way round, chief.

Trump is challenging these subpoenas before they’re executed. Warrants tend to be executed and only challenged after the fact.

 

Good point. There would have never been the SC case if the subpoenas had already been executed. The entire point was to stop them.

 

Actually, he presented another argument in this case, which is one of the great ironies of all time. As you say the subpoena wasn't issued to him, yet they argued it was a "distraction to the POTUS and would take his time". But he was the one who challenged it, which took massively more of his personal time (maybe) than if they hadn't.

Cracks me up... I can imagine the eye rolling at every court level at that one...

 

oh wow so he has already turned over the evidence...why hasn’t Vance charged him??