Obama’s Immigration Ploy…

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  1. Taxcutter

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    …gains him nothing.

    http://news.investors.com/article/6...igration-executive-order-hasnt-helped-him.htm

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    “…Obama's dramatic illegal immigration non-amnesty amnesty did nothing politically for the Chicagoan in the polls. Zip. Nada. Rien.”

    “On the day before his immigration remarks, Gallup's seven-day rolling average of about 3,000 registered voters in a hypothetical Obama-Romney match-up had the Republican ahead 46-45.
    Four days later the rolling average was exactly the same, 46 Romney 45 Obama.”


    “In Rasmussen Reports' three-day rolling average of their match-up, just before Obama's Rose Garden remarks, Romney lead Obama 47-45.

    Three days later, Romney had improved to 48. Obama had slipped to 44.”

    Taxcutter notes that this clumsy ploy failed because Romney deftly sidestepped him.

    http://www.redstate.com/california_yankee/2012/06/19/romney-refused-to-take-obamas-immigration-bait/
     
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    Obama gets a little snippy when questioned...

    [video=youtube;LjmfP2ff3oA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjmfP2ff3oA[/video]
     
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    Secret report: Catch and release for low-priority illegals proposed...

    Border agency’s draft policy includes ‘prosecutorial discretion’
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    U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the agency charged with guarding the U.S. borders, has written a secret draft policy that would let its agents catch and release low-priority illegal immigrants rather than bring them in for processing and prosecution.

    The policy, which has not been signed off on, would be the latest move by the Obama administration to set new priorities for the nation’s immigration services, and would bring CBP in line with other Homeland Security Department agencies that already use such “prosecutorial discretion.”

    The policy was detailed in an internal memo obtained by House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith and reviewed by The Washington Times, which confirmed the document.

    According to the memo, the draft policy “provides circumstances when to pursue enforcement actions … and includes detailed discussion of several factors CBP personnel should consider when exercising discretion.”

    Opponents say it amounts to another “backdoor amnesty” for illegal immigrants and could give the administration a tool to pressure Border Patrol agents not to pursue some people.

    “Rather than allow Border Patrol agents to do their job, the Obama administration instead would like them to roll out the welcome mat for illegal immigrants,” Mr. Smith said. “This ‘catch and release’ policy undermines border security, our immigration system, and CBP’s mission.”

    President Obama has called for a broad immigration bill that would legalize most illegal immigrants, but with action in Congress unlikely, his administration has taken steps to try to rewrite enforcement priorities and shift deportation efforts away from rank-and-file illegal immigrants and toward gang members and those with extensive criminal records.

    Those favoring a crackdown say that amounts to a de facto amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants, while immigrant rights groups say he is setting records for deportations and that too many illegal immigrants without extensive criminal histories are being caught.

    As part of its efforts, the administration last summer announced that it would grant broad prosecutorial discretion for U.S. Customs and Immigration Enforcement (ICE), a Homeland Security agency that enforces immigration laws in the country’s interior.

    That policy, which lets the agency decline to prosecute or deport some illegal immigrants, has received mixed reviews. Crackdown supporters say it’s too lenient, while the immigrant advocates say it’s not applied fairly.

    The new draft policy detailed in the memo would apply similar rules to CBP, and the chief effect could be to give Border Patrol agents discretion not to turn over illegal immigrants for prosecution.

    CBP generally operates at official points of entry and along and near the U.S. borders, with authority stretching as much as 100 miles away from an international boundary. ICE is responsible for the interior, and for most deportations.

    Advocates said it makes sense to have the two agencies’ policies match.

    “It’s a bit odd to have that huge function in terms of patrolling the borders and some of the enforcement activities that take place just this side of the border not be part of the same policy — it’s frankly just kind of odd,” said Laura L. Lichter, president-elect of the American Immigration Lawyers Association.

    She said the draft policy shouldn’t be seen as an excuse to stop enforcing immigration laws, but rather as guidelines for how the laws can best be applied, given resources and priorities.

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    [video=youtube;Ov04Ed-kBjo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov04Ed-kBjo[/video]
     
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    Young illegal immigrants’ amnesty could tighten competition for jobs, college:


    President Obama has just opened a floodgate of opportunity for young illegal immigrants in the United States, but could it squeeze the aspirations of legal Americans in the process?

    Across the nation Friday, immigrant advocates and Hispanic youth groups hailed Obama’s decision to offer legal status to some undocumented immigrants under 30 as a watershed in U.S. immigration history and a long-sought victory for ambitious youths denied a chance to realize the American dream.

    Under the new policy, as many as 1.4 million undocumented immigrants under age 30 will be able to apply for the amnesty, allowing them to work and attend college legally. To be eligible, they must have been in the United States for five years, have no criminal record, and attend high school or college or be a military veteran.

    The policy does not provide permanent legal residency, but it protects those who qualify from being deported and gives them a chance to renew their new status every two years. It also does not grant any public benefits, such as Medicare and Medicaid. Federal law already grants all undocumented immigrants the right to a public-school education and emergency hospital care.

    The new policy could entail additional costs for administration and enforcement, however, and put pressure on state systems of higher education to meet growing demand for slots.

    But it could also bring new revenue. Many illegal workers are paid in cash, and taxes or other costs are not deducted. One congressional study found that the Dream Act, a stalled proposal to grant legal residency to young immigrants who graduate from high school and attend college or join the military, would add $2.3 billion in tax revenue over 10 years.

    “Texas and California will definitely benefit from this,” said Marielena Hincapie, executive director of the National Immigration Law Center in Los Angeles, adding that the two states have large populations of Hispanic immigrants who will now be able to open businesses, hire people and earn more.

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    One of the bad effects of having a Democratic administration is that the media goes from reporting to stenography. Almost everything about this story is fake.

    There is no executive order. It's a DHS memo.

    It only applies to those who's cases are already in review and doesn't change the law at all. Obama couldn't have done that without Congress anyway.

    This is as big a hoax as the war on women.
     
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    Obama does plenty without Congress.
     
  8. Frowning Loser

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    Your tracking poll proves nothing.

    Obama's view on immigration has been consistant especially in view of The Dream Act so his executive order (which is something presidents have used in the past) is not inconsistent.

    The joke is that Romney has once again lied on the Immigration issue just as he's lied on so many political positions in the past.

    You can see Romney's position on immigration is a joke:

    What Romney said in December of 2011:



    What Romeny says now 6/15/12:


    Most Voters don't know Romney that well but his body of recorded lies throughout his political career will easily catch up to him. (And even conservatives aren’t that enthusiastic about Romney but they hate to admit it.)

    http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/06/15/500607/mitt-romney-immigration-primary/
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77498.html


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    Was it supposed to do anything for him? Even to begin with, there would hardly be any change in the poll numbers. So who cares? As Obama said, it's the right thing to do.

    And that man who interrupts Obama during his speech is ridiculous. You don't interrupt the PRESIDENT during his written speech! It doesn't matter if you hate the guy or you love the guy! It doesn't matter if he's Democrat or Republican! You don't interrupt him. You show some class and respect his position. You act like an adult.
     

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