obama birth certificate: if you like your birth certificate, you can keep...../

Either one of those two would so jump at the chance to stick it to Barack. Like Orly on steroids!

Fat chance the guy can succeed, but it would indeed be an intl coming out party if he does get something!

 

The story is about the statements he made THIS WEEK, not his sanity or credibility. But I agree... fat chance he'll get any proof of Obama's birthplace. But doesn't it make you grin to think of him talking to Snowden about passing birther info along to Putin?

Makes me grin. In fact, I think it's downright hilarious.

 

Sometimes I find Birthers funny.

But then I remember that they are essentially trying to unconstitutionally over throw the American government, and I don't find them as humorous anymore.

 

It's funny you should mention that because I was talking to an atty friend at work and asked her, just for grins, what would happen if it turned out to be true. She said it would throw the nation into chaos because the elections of 08 and 12 would be declared null and both Obama & Biden would be forced to step down, Harry Reid would be forced out of his seat and John Boehner would become POTUS. She also said because it's never been done before, for the sake of stability, the process would probably drag out until Obama is no longer in office.

It's something to think about. For the record, I'm no birther but I'm not blind to the truth either. Nothing has been proven 100% and we already know the man will lie to get what he wants. I don't believe he was born in Kenya, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn it's true.

 

Actually I think that if there was smoking gun and irrefutable proof that Barack Obama was not a native U.S. citizen then . . . nothing at all would happen because he would shrug and say, "I'm not? This is news to me. You are saying that the woman who claimed to be my birth mother actually wasn't? Why do you hate Black people?" The MSM would automatically support him and there would be a cry on the Left to begin the ratification process of amending the 'pitifully outdated and foreigner phobic' Constitution to reflect modern reality that anyone born anywhere in the world can become president of the United States of America. Aside from that nothing much else would happen. Obama would finish out his second term and -- hell -- possibly get his face carved into Mount Rushmore after all as the first foreign born president of the good ol' U.S. of A.

 

You do realize that the guy you are talking up is on trial for phoning in a fake bomb alert. The article you link to also said he never worked for or never was even associated with British intelligence. Which leads to the question... how the (*)(*)(*)(*) would he know what's in the British files? 2008 is well within the "Obama was born in Monbasa" smears, so he just repeated some internet rumors he had heard vaguely about to get publicity. Birtherism isn't even close to the center of his worldview. He's mainly about how the Germans are REALLY running the world and REALLY conspiring to destroy the UK.

The article details how He believes that the German government conspired to magicly steal a nuclear missile from the sunken submarine Kursk right under the nose of the Russians who had an icebreaker on station over the spot from day one, and then shipped it to London where they conspired to detonate it during the 2012 olympics. Most of the article you linked to talks about that plot with dark undertones about how an expert said if called in he could not say if one of Kurst's missiles were missing as *shock* he wasn't there when they raised it. DAMNING EVIDENCE!! Which, considering Shrimpton's total lack of any intelligence qualifications, connections, current active Secret security clearance access. or experience, means that he would have no way of knowing any of this, which is why he is supeoning photos of satellites which he just knows will provide the actual evidence he does not have. In short, he's nuts.

Just the kind of person you want to bring forward as a character witness for your birtherism, and who is totally convincing. No qualifications or actual ability to know jack. All he can do is read the patterns from the pimples on his own backside.

And as for needing publicity, he's publishing a book on how evil the German Intelligence services are. Amazing how he said something that would get desperate bierthers tounges wagging just as he was flogging a book, eh?

But lets ignore all that, he says what you want to say so he is an impeccable source! Its kind of sad that in the sorry world of birtehrism they are so desperate for anything to validate the last wasted 5 years of their lives with 220 failed court challenges with well over 300 court rulings against them, that they will hold up this lunatic as an impeccable source, and attack those who point out the man is crazy. If he is not credible, and he isn't, then its another birther failure.

And everything I just talked about is in the article you linked to.

 

That's funny only people who HAVE been ineligible have actually been stopped from running for president before this. And yeah, some of them were actually black. Just being consigned to serving as Senetor is no great hardship, and foreign born people serve in the senate even today.

The reason the MSM laughs at you is that you haven't been able to actually dig up any evidence that he WAS foreign born despite 5 years of trying. Hell the only document you have that you hold up as PROOF, the only one that actually calls him Barry Soetoro, lists his birthplace as Honolulu, Hawaii. It also shows he went to a christian school. Oh yeah "soebarkah" was written on a US passport, making him a US citizen at the tender age of 10. Which since we have the passport application for him when he was 6 years old, at which he was a US citizen, means that you are kind of out of luck.

Of course a pregnant woman could have spend the equivalent of 100,000 to spend 2 weeks on flights and then a week on dirt roads to get to Mombassa when the place was in the middle of a Yellow Fever Epidemic and where her husbands other wife would have been so pleased to see her. Sure.

And yeah. people do remember him from when he was a child. See http://www.thefogbow.com/special-reports/people-remember-president-obama/ for a nice collection of childhood memories going though university and into his days in the workforce.

The only reason you believe that he is foreign born is that you want to do it, despite the evidence.

And in any case, he would not have been the first foreign born US president. 8 presidents were born in what is now, but at the time was not, the United States. They are Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Quincy Adams, Jackson and Harrison. Washington, Chester Arthur, Eisenhower and Reagan all had to quell rumors that they were not born in the US continent. Some people said Washington was born in England and that hos mother had gon there by boat, had him in England and immediatly saided back, and her parents covered it up (sound familiar?) Some said Chester Arthur was born in Canada. Eisenhower and Reagan just produced their "short form" BCs and that shut them up their critics. Eisenhower got his on the strenght of the testimony of his brother, and impeccable source for birthers no doubt. Reagan's film company commissioned his BC when he was 24 to prove he was all American despite everyone calling him "Dutch." Birther's would no doubt have totally accepted that as totally above suspicion.

Your President was born in Hawaii. Get a life.

 

Speaking of getting a life, no place have either of us ever said we believe this guy is legit so save your lecture. I'm no birther and happen to agree that nothing would happen if Barack Obama was proven to be the son of Sadam Hussain, much less born outside the country.

However, none of that changes the fact that the guy exists, is going on trial, and threatening to release damaging dirt on the POTUS... thru Snowden and Putin.

Lets put our emotions aside and consider the facts, shall we? Ignoring stories like this doesnt make them go away... it just makes us a little less informed.

 

Pssst . . . I am not a birther. I was simply logically extending a 'what if' scenario. Edited out Insult

 

Your 'attorney' friend is typical Birther fodder.

Lets posit for a moment that a President was elected, confirmed by Congress and sworn into office- and then subsequent to all of this was discovered to be ineligible.

Does that mean the elections were invalid? Of course not. This is just the stuff of Birther fantasies- and it is why I point out that Birthers are promoting the unconstitutional over throw of the American government.

Once a person has been elected and confirmed as President, he is the De Facto President- and the Congress specifies exactly how a President can be removed from office- which would be impeachment.

If a sitting President is impeached, then the Vice President becomes President (A President's eligiblity is totally unrelated to the Vice President's eligiblity).

The Senate Pro-Tem leader of course would not be legally affected by this at all- though politics may result in his or the Speaker of the House losing their positions.

because it's never been done before, for the sake of stability, the process would probably drag out

There is no 'process' that your 'friend' imagines- the Constitution provides for elections and one way to remove a President- no imaginary other processes.

Nothing has been proven 100%

Proven beyond the level of any previous President or Presidential candidate. Proven to the satisfaction of the American public. While anything is possible- its is possible that John Boehner is really a Venusian sleeper agent preparing Earth for invasion- promoting imaginary nonsense, just because you couldn't succeed at the ballot box is just idiotic.

It's something to think about. For the record, I'm no birther but I'm not blind to the truth either. Nothing has been proven 100% and we already know the man will lie to get what he wants. I don't believe he was born in Kenya, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn it's true.[/QUOTE]

 

You do realize that if John McCain had been elected he would have been the first foreign born President of the USA?

And he would have been an eligible natural born citizen.

 

Nutty people say nutty stuff all the time. This guy just gets slightly more press because
a) He is a lord and
b) Because he is saying what Birthers want to hear.

Actually ignoring this kind of story does make them go away. There is nothing about this story that makes us more informed other than the ramblings of someone who appears to be mentally unstable.

 

Yep, him having been an army brat and all born while the family was in transit overseas. Damn the military service for looking after its own. The dastards!

 

Which is one of the reasons I thought the question of whether McCain was eligible to really be irrelevant- a child born overseas to American military parents is damn well a natural born citizen as far as I am concerned.

But he would have been our first foreign born President(assuming that those like GW are not considered to have been foreign born), if he had been elected

 

Ok lets put our emotions aside and concider the facts. Lets actually READ your article. The fact is that He ISN'T threatening to release bad information on your President though Putin and Snowden. What he said is that Snowden GAVE Putin damaging information on Your Presidents eligibility. He never said he had jack on Obama's eligibility, and frankly there's no reason why he would have.

There nothing in any of his statements that even begins to threaten to do anything to Your President. So your silly conspiracy theory that he is getting thrown in jail to prevent him "Speaking out" is laughable, especially when the guy has a book coming out with all his info!

What he is doing is supeoning pics from spy satellites he is convinced recorded high levels of radiation at the London Olympics. In terms of birtherism, that's a load of big effing deal. So, dispassionately, the guy repeated a rumour he heard in 2008, a rumour that he was in no position to know anything about, and said that he thought that IF your President was born in Mombasa THEN the British government could have files on it. End of shocking information. The horror.

Birthers are crazy enough to believe anything no matter how flimsy or ridiculous, as long as it allows them to hate and say bad things about the President of their Country. Patriots to the core.

 

Sure, the army passed a law in 1937 making all citizens of the Panama Canal Zone NBC's as long as they were born in the PCZ with one American citizen parent whether in the military or not, and made it retroactive, becasue they knew that little one year old John McCain would be running for president 70 years later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal_Zone

Real sneaky, those military boys.


Edited out Personal Attacks

 

Ol' G.W. was a space case in my opinion. So I guess he would qualify as foreign born at that . . .

 

http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/obamas-origins-resurface-at-intel-experts-trial/

hornet's nest fogbow...


Confirming military satellite intelligence?

Shrimpton intends to defend himself in a November jury trial by demanding to see specific intelligence information he believes will exonerate him.

In a document shared with WND that Shrimpton submitted to the court in his defense, he put CPS prosecutors on notice that he intends to subpoena radar signature readings taken by U.S. military satellites.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/obamas-origins-resurface-at-intel-experts-trial/#KwkJFw3WDrLKLUPA.99

 

I'm not sure which article you read... but this is from the link I posted:

Obviously, Snowden can't give Putin anything that doesn't exist. He claims he will get the classified military file on Obama's DNA.

You seem to have a problem understanding this is a NEW threat. We've never heard about a link to Snowden or Putin before.

Like I said... nobody believes it's going to happen. But it's not impossible. Up until Dec 1963, Kenya was a British Colony. Meaning birth records were kept in the UK at the time Obama was born.

One thing's for sure though. JIC it ever comes out that Obama is not who he claims to be.... anti-birthers like you are sure gonna look foolish.

Amazing how much faith some people have in total strangers... no worse... Chicago politicians.

 

If leprechauns are discovered I will look foolish. That seems more likely.

Amazing how much faith Birthers have in anyone- as long as they say Obama was not eligible to be President.

 

Um, OK. Guess you told me.

Thing is, nowdays there are so many other reasons to believe the man shouldn't be president rather than just where he was born. Who cares. Except the occasional loon and Those Who Must Defend Obama.

Oh yeah, and us who stand back and laugh at both of you.

 

http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2014/04/even-some-democrats-now-questioning.html

 

Oh I am quite happy to laugh at Birthers and their fellow travellers, like you.

 

http://www.birtherreport.com/2014/04/sources-inside-kapiolani-hospital.html

I don't know if there is anything to this or not.
but I do believe the "soft history" part of senator Obama's provenance will spill out. eventually.
there is no time limit to this historically speaking.
it would be the greatest caper in world history.
the campfire embers are still glowing.

that's all.

 

and, was he always left handed ??