Obama is not to blame for events in Syria and Iraq

That is not a deterrent - it's outside the discussion of what Iran could reasonably see as supporting its defensive requirements.

Beyond that, you have to categorize the Hezbollah forces in support of Assad as terrorist in order to make your point. But, those forces are really no more terrorist than most other combatants in the country. For example, Assad himself has used barrel bombs on civilians for political advantage - terrorism. And, actions taken by the US have stretched in that direction too, as we take civilian lives with our bombing and our support of groups in Syria that are clearly radicalized against Assad - and have a propensity to form alliances even with ISIS in that endeavor.

We like to sit back and think this is all black and white with nice lines on maps and people marked as "evil" or "good".

But, it is not like that at all.

 

Now you argue that Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization ?? Are you kidding me ?? If there is anything black in the world Hezbollah is it.

 

Iran does not want a nuclear weapon. Why? A nuclear weapon would make Iran a target. The Persians aren't stupid.

Let me walk you through this. Iran and Israel are bitter foes. Israel has the strongest military in the Middle East and represents a vital threat to Iran's hegemony over the region. In Operation Opera Israel bombed the nuclear reactor at Osirak on 7June 1981 to prevent Saddam's Iraq from producing a nuke. Israel can do that again if she suspects Iran is building a nuke.

Iran has achieved dominance in the region without nuclear weapons. The threat of making a nuclear weapon serves as the same result of having one.

If somehow Iran was able to produce a nuclear weapon under the watchful eye of the Mossad, she would have to start out with two. It is ludicrous to think she would have an instant nuclear stockpile. One nuke would be used for testing to make sure her design worked. Another bomb would be placed in the weapons inventory. Although no official statistics exist, estimates of Israeli nuclear weapons range from 75 to as many as 400. If Iran ever attacks Israel, then she would have to deal with the U.S. nuclear stockpile. In addition, the U.S. fleet controls the waters around Iran and our ships are capable of hitting Tehran or any other useful target in Iran.

That is what I mean when I say nuclear weapons would make Iran a target. The Persians aren't stupid, nor are they suicidal.

 

We finally found something on which we can agree. Yes, Hezbollah is a terrorist organization, but it is also a political organization that offers social services such as education and health care in Lebanon, even housing. But it also has a powerful militant wing.

 

The Iranians have achieved dominance due to the Obama foreign policy.

The Iranian theocracy is a rational form of government ?? They don't ultimately care if they survive as long as Israel is incinerated.

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The mafia also offered social services.

 

Your opinion of Iran's theocracy is wrong. As you know, they are Persians, not Arabs. They are intelligent, pragmatic, and not the least bit suicidal. Please note they have a very stable government. The mistake most people in the West make about Iran is that they believe the propaganda meant for the Iranian people.

We found something else we both can agree on. Yes, the Mafia also has social services. Apparently we also agree on the fact that Iran does not want a nuke. You never questioned my analysis on that point.

 

Their rulers are autocratic Islamists who are dedicated to the destruction of the US and Israel. Their government is stable due to the use of force and intimidation. How can anyone seriously believe that there is not a problem with a gov that stones and hangs women/children ??

Iran clearly wants a nuke and is working to that end with the help of North Korea and possibly Russia.

 

If that is true, explain these circumstances. Merely repeating yourself is not proof.

Iran does not want a nuclear weapon. Why? A nuclear weapon would make Iran a target. The Persians aren't stupid.

Let me walk you through this. Iran and Israel are bitter foes. Israel has the strongest military in the Middle East and represents a vital threat to Iran's hegemony over the region. In Operation Opera Israel bombed the nuclear reactor at Osirak on 7June 1981 to prevent Saddam's Iraq from producing a nuke. Israel can do that again if she suspects Iran is building a nuke.

Iran has achieved dominance in the region without nuclear weapons. The threat of making a nuclear weapon serves as the same result of having one.

If somehow Iran was able to produce a nuclear weapon under the watchful eye of the Mossad, she would have to start out with two. It is ludicrous to think she would have an instant nuclear stockpile. One nuke would be used for testing to make sure her design worked. Another bomb would be placed in the weapons inventory. Although no official statistics exist, estimates of Israeli nuclear weapons range from 75 to as many as 400. If Iran ever attacks Israel, then she would have to deal with the U.S. nuclear stockpile. In addition, the U.S. fleet controls the waters around Iran and our ships are capable of hitting Tehran or any other useful target in Iran.

That is what I mean when I say nuclear weapons would make Iran a target. The Persians aren't stupid, nor are they suicidal.

 

Iran is ruled by a theocracy. They are intelligent but committed to spreading terrorism world wide and to the destruction of Israel. They see North Korea with nukes and development programs for missile delivery of those nukes with no consequence from the west or China. Iran wants the same thing. They are aligned now with Russia which also of course has nuclear capability and has aided Iran in nuclear programs. And of course Iran has very close ties with North Korea.

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/north-korea-irans-pathway-nuclear-weapon-13570

Iran is ruled under laws which value a woman at half that of a man and routinely hangs children and stones women. Does that sound like a rational government ??

 

"They see North Korea with nukes and development programs for missile delivery of those nukes with no consequence from the west or China. Iran wants the same thing." As is your custom, you ignore facts presented to you, repeat yourself, and bring up some innocuous factors.

You don't seem to understand. The West isn't going to stop Iran from making a nuke. Israel is. Israel will bomb nuclear facilities if necessary, and she has a proven record of doing just that. Moreover, if somehow Iran develops a nuke, Israel will have 200 to 400% more nukes.

Given these set of facts and assuming Iranian leaders are not suicidal, why in the world would she want a nuke? She already has complete hegemony over the region with the exception of the Arabian peninsula and Egypt. She doesn't need nukes.

 

I ignore facts (actually opinions) that are false. Iran is the number one sponsor of global terrorism. They want a nuke and are working to getting one. They are developing missiles with which to deliver a nuclear weapon. Their leaders who stone women and hang children are crazy enough to use them. Iran is a weak country supported by Russia and China. The US will prevent Iran from developing a nuke under Trump. The success that Iran has achieved in the ME is the result of the complete implosion of the Obama foreign policy that has resulted in the success of ISIS, the rise of Iran, and the strengthening of the Iran-Russia-Syria axis in the ME.

Thanks to another foreign policy blunder by Obama (that being the damage to the relationship with Israel) the time for Israel to act is long gone. The development facilities for Iranian nuclear weapons is buried under the sand. It will take the economic and military pressure from the US to force Iran to abandon its nuclear weapons program. And it will take support from the US to encourage internal regime change in Iran (return of the Green Revolution - unfortunately much harder now that Obama gave Iraq away) so that the Iranian people can get rid of these psychopathic mullahs.

 

You forgot Libya.......that's his doing.

 

If Iran really wants a nuke and the mullahs are as crazy as you think they are, why did Iran agree to the nuclear deal with the P-5+1 that sharply suspended her nuclear activities?

BTW, despite Republican critics, Iran is in compliance with the nuclear deal. VIENNA — The head of the United Nations nuclear agency says Iran appears to be hewing to the letter of last year’s landmark nuclear agreement but says his inspectors are stretched thin by the task of monitoring compliance across a country the size of Alaska. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...pectors-are-stretched/?utm_term=.a140156af0bb

The fact that Iran is the largest state sponsor of terrorism and you disagree with her criminal laws have nothing to do with nuclear weapons.

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What about Libya?

 

Obama is blameless for everything he's ever touched. He voted "present", so as to not have a record. His inaction or extreme minimum action in foreign affairs shielded him from responsibility. He did it well...he left the problems for the next administration.
He will go down as the worst president of all time. The left is REALLY going to have to rewrite history big time in order to show his presidency as a success.

 

To get money and have sanctions lifted.

If you believe that Iran is adhering to the nuclear agreement I've got several bridges in Nor Cal for sale at bargain prices.

The IAEA does not have complete access to any and all sites in Iran and they have agreed to let Iran "self inspect" at certain locations.

The complete collapse and occupation of Libya by ISIS is on Obama. Another one of his genius foreign policy moves.

 

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Here is Hillary laughing about Gaddafi's demise.

Hillary Clinton’s Benghazi Debacle: Arming Jihadists in Libya . . . and Syria