Obama is officially an embarrassment on the world stage

I agree with some of that, but honestly I wouldnt take that stand over any of the Ukraine. We've been at war for what...a decade now? Wearing ourselves down? It's time to put ourselves first.
Let the world handle this one, or let them ignore it.

Europe isn't going to do anything because they rely on Russian natural gas. Heck, France still cant decide if theyre going to deliver the 2 helicopter Carriers they're making and selling to Russia. They probably still will, judging by the lack of any quick decisions on it. No sense in the US wasting more treasure and blood overseas.

Let Europe take the lead here, it's in their backyard and effects them more than us. My bet is they're going to cry foul, but not really do anything about it. Why should we?

 

well, 'unofficially', he's been an embarrasment to the american ideal for his full reign.. what has happened for it to become 'official'?

He became an official peacemaker when he got the nobel prize.. is it something like this? I can't imagine the un not fawning all over him, or any media award not being slanted in his favor, so this must be some right wing made up story..

 

Your Fufrer made it up to the paki's by giving them the name of the Paki doctor who helped the US so tht they could throw him in jail for 33 years.

Obama can't do anything right.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...akistani-doctor-led-Navy-SEALs-bin-Laden.html

 

I said he did well in reference to not telling the Paki's about our planned attack. I didn't say he was errorless.

 

That's an understatement.

 

I never miss an opportunity to attack Obama. And that's a lot of opportunities! LOL

 

We signed the Monroe Doctrine and the Marshall Plan largely because we're a European-English nation. What goes on in Europe, most definitely affects here. Here's an example: Putin can now cite Russian-American citizens who live in Alaska to have Alaska cecede from the union(actually, much worse. It'd be a base of operations for the Russians). Still ain't concerned with the precedent Crimea sets?

Even John F. Kennedy said as much. "For it's no longer far away and foreign, but close at hand and at home."

We held a similar position to the Pacific Frontier, which previous U.S generals highlighted as(and the Japanese exploited as) an area of vulnerability. That's why we gave Japan a guarantee and made them a proxy state. That's why we trade with Asia more than anyone else, it's crucial.

We can't let Putin be an aggressor in Europe, the price is too costly.

 

Here you go.

 

There has NEVER been such vicious, vitriolic attempts to undermine ANY president but the constant, damaging for our WHOLE country attacks made on Obama and his family.

There has NEVER been any political leader openly stating that their FIRST and ONLY goal was to make the President a one term president, to see him fail, and to see his policies fail, EVEN if it makes this Country fail in the process, even if it slows down our recovery and provoke our credit rating to be cut!

Anyone taking part in such disgusting attacks and purposely risking the future of this country by undermining EVERYTHING a rightfully elected President does has no right to call himself or herself "a patriot."

 

Thank you. . . and I assume you might consider yourself a "patriot" because you are jubilating at your PRESIDENT being mocked by enemies. . .right?

In some people's mind, people who have made it their goal to make this president fail, , that is what they called "mission accomplished."

Sick!

 

So every world leader who doesn't care it they start WW3, like Putin, we should just back away from? And I guess if you had been around during WW2 you would have preached the same cowardly approach to Hitler's aggressive occupation of other countries? Gee, we just came out of WW1, we don't need another world war. Like FDR had any other choice. More Americans were killed because he hesitated way to long before he finally got involved. So what should the US do if Putin moves his troops into East Ukraine after he has made it clear he will not? That is a real possibility we all should be prepared for.

 

If we act with military force at this point WWIII is exactly what you would get. Let the sanctions, new expenses at the tune of 2 Billion plus a year, forzen bank accounts and loss of revenue do their job first. If he continues his expansion dreams then we can find a good reason to fight, Russia against the free world, take a guess who wins.

 

We don't need anyone from America to stand up to Putin; let the Brits or French deal with him for a change. I'm sick and tired of America having to act as the worlds police department.

 

I'm saying not to take war off the table as we did in WW2 until it was almost too late. Russia, like Germany in 1938, senses the mounting pressure Americans are putting on Obama to not support NATO with large numbers of US troops because we are war wary. War wary from WW1 deja vu all over again.

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They probably will have to deal with Russia without us, again, as in WW2, because Americans were tired of war after WW1. I bet Putin knows his history regarding WW2 better than you do which he is counting on.

 

You must have been born only yesterday with such a bad memory.

 

You under estimate the will of the American People, make them mad enough and see how weary we are. Russia is the traditional enemy and for good reason, they (Putin) starts taking over is former slave Nations and see what happens next. The US will back NATO 100% count on it and you might be surprised how well the Bit and Germans are armed and ready if need be, Russia would not stand a chance, 6 months tops before NATO was in Moscow, if there still is one.

 

The US won't do anything unless their own people are attacked, or if they have massively overwhelming strength. This is what we know from history.

Neither apply in this instance. I'm surprised we are bothering with sanctions... Sanctions can't really hurt Russia with China there... it's is an d expensive inconvenience for them. Nothing more.

 

If you say, my "opinion" is you do not know the American People very well.
Seem to have done some good in the past, some live with them at a reduced economic level but hey that is their choice. Wait till the hurt sets in, it hasn't yet, and once the taxes go up we will see how behind Putin they really are.

 

as well every president that replaces him we'll be.from here on out,every president that gets in is going to be worse than the previous one,has been since the last 50 years.

 

Good grief. Look, you asked for proof that it really came from Crimea:

So I proved one, along with the explanation of what it really meant, at least from the Crimean PM's point of view. Your response?

A personal attack for giving you exactly what you asked for?

 

You make a reasonable argument, but we disagree. I don't think the Ukraine/Crimea situation is something we have to worry about. I see it as a problem Europe has to decide on, and I think they are going to let it slide for reasons already mentioned.

With that being said....what would the US do? Stand alone on this one?

Not worth it to me. We're worn down and need some rebuild America time. Let the world and those in the region handle this one IMO.

Your Alaska analogy is useful here. Say it went down like you said, who do you think should be the one to handle it? The US or Europe....well the US of course, simply because of the location. There'd be no reason for Germany or France to care and waste treasure and blood, it would be our problem....rightfully so.
I think Crimea/ and Ukraine are the same kind of thing. Let them handle it....if they are content to let it slide...lets move on.

 

I wonder how many libs have secretly given up on Obama but keep going through the motions of defending him for the sake of the next Democrat shyster who will want the public's vote in future elections?

They know he's a failure but refuse to admit it to the hated conservatives on this board.

 

Remind us of the last time America elected anyone worthy of the presidency. Seems to me you've had quite a succession of idiots in the White House. Still, they do say that the incumbent is a reflection of his electorate...

 

You have found an acorn.

Starting with Bill Clinton America has been led by three inadequate men.