Obama: 'New York girlfriend' was a composite character (in other words, he lied)

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  1. Consmike

    Consmike New Member Past Donor

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    But you can't write a book about your life, which is supposed to be all truth and then just put in people that never existed
     
  2. Radio Refugee

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    The better question is "How many has Obama?"

    A: One less than he claims.

    Thanks, Bill.
     
  3. Hoosier8

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  4. Blackrook

    Blackrook Banned

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    I have reported you for twice calling me a liar.

    Can you name even one time I've lied?

    I called you on this before, but no response from you.
     
  5. SFJEFF

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    What is funny is that statement is clearly a lie.

    Obama lies, Gingrich lies, Romney lies....what a shock politicians lie.

    However, back to the OP, the only 'lie' is the claim that Obama lied.
     
  6. SFJEFF

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    But of course he never said that. You are bearing false witness against Obama when you make that statement. Isn't that supposed to be a bad thing for a Christian to do?

    Again- here is what he said:

    However, on Pages xvi-xvii of the introduction to Dreams (2006 paperback edition), Obama wrote:
    Finally, there are the dangers inherent in any autobiographical work: the temptation to color events in ways favorable to the writer, the tendency to overestimate the interest one's experiences hold for others, selective lapses of memory. Such hazards are only magnified when the writer lacks the wisdom of age; the distance that can cure one of certain vanities. I can't say that I've avoided all, or any, of these hazards successfully. Although much of this book is based on contemporaneous journals or the oral histories of my family, the dialogue is necessarily an approximation of what was actually said or relayed to me. For the sake of compression, some of the characters that appear are composites of people I've known, and some events appear out of precise chronology. With the exception of my family and a handful of public figures, the names of most characters have been changed for the sake of their privacy.

    Now what did you say before:

    If you are using composite characters and fictionalizing events, you have to say so in the preface.
    Otherwise, you are presenting the story as fact and that's unethical.


    So Obama did exactly what you said that an ethical author would do....and you now find new reasons to object to what he did....

    If you read the actual article, you would find interviews with those 'white' girlfriends you find so difficult to believe in. If you want interviews with people when he was a kid- those are available also. i can find you interviews from people from every stage of Obama's life. If you still want to believe some Communist Conspiracy theory of course you can do so.....but thats not what the facts say.
     
  7. SFJEFF

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    Or it could mean exactly what Obama explained what it means.

    But what we do know is that the only lies revealed in this thread are the lies of people claiming that Obama lied when he used composite characters in his book without telling all of us he was doing so.
     
  8. James Cessna

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    I wonder if all of Barack Obama's so-called girlfriends found his big ears unattractive?
     
  9. SFJEFF

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    Hmmm what rule book are you quoting? Barack Obama explained his position very clearly at the very beginning of his book- and anyone who had read his book knew this.

    So exactly what rule was he breaking by telling everyone exactly what he was doing- and then doing exactly that?

    However, on Pages xvi-xvii of the introduction to Dreams (2006 paperback edition), Obama wrote:
    Finally, there are the dangers inherent in any autobiographical work: the temptation to color events in ways favorable to the writer, the tendency to overestimate the interest one's experiences hold for others, selective lapses of memory. Such hazards are only magnified when the writer lacks the wisdom of age; the distance that can cure one of certain vanities. I can't say that I've avoided all, or any, of these hazards successfully. Although much of this book is based on contemporaneous journals or the oral histories of my family, the dialogue is necessarily an approximation of what was actually said or relayed to me. For the sake of compression, some of the characters that appear are composites of people I've known, and some events appear out of precise chronology. With the exception of my family and a handful of public figures, the names of most characters have been changed for the sake of their privacy.
     
  10. SFJEFF

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    Well all white girls know that 'big ears' correspond to big other things.....

    Oddly enough his 'so-called' girlfriends, unlike Gingrich's so-called ex-wives, don't appear to have a single bad thing to say about him.

    That must irritate the hell out of you.
     
  11. JohnnyMo

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    a... He's a.... Arab...........No he's not mam.... He's an American
     
  12. signcutter

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    Your trying to enlighten a mob and turn it into a gathering of reasoning individuals. The mob isnt interested in truth or logic.... the mob wants what the mob wants and that is dictated by fear and hatred. The facts are easily obtained with minimal effort the evidence is right in the introduction of the book in print for all to see. The mob doesnt care . This mob needs a dragon to slay and they already have been given a target by its handlers.
     
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    No you are the one who changed the subject.

    I will point out your original claim:

    1. Obama: 'New York girlfriend' was a composite character (in other words, he lied)

    But in the very article you posted it stated that Obama had acknowledged using composite characters in his book- and I then took a few seconds and found an article from 2007 which discusses the issue and shows his exact words.

    So Obama never 'lied' as you claimed. Your original claim was negligence, I hope. But now you want to deflect from the error of your original post, and your clear lack of due diligence in making your claim.

    Read the Vanity Fair article about his life. Plenty of information from plenty of sources there. Stories about those 'white girlfriends' that you find so unbelievable.

    Yes- Obama kept secrets about his girlfriends from the American people.

    Good for him.
     
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    An "Autobiography", by DEFINITION, is an account of what has really happened in one's own life. I didn't realize that the concept was so hard to grasp, as well as the principle that the use of FICTIONAL CHARACTERS is, inherently dishonest.

    And yes, "composite characters" are FICTIONAL...
     
  15. Frowning Loser

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    Do you really think that you can sink Obama to the depths of Mitt Romney who is a career liar. The fact is that Americans in the short time they've known Romney don't like or trust him already. The reason for this is because the conservatives and the Republicans have already branded Romney as a two faced liar before he's made it to the nomination. Romney according to the republicans is a bald face liar. So while your enjoying your popcorn you may want to watch this and see how much fun you're still having.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hbL0PT0fZk
     
  16. ptif219

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    No Obama lies.

    http://obamalies.net/
     
  17. ptif219

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    Which means it is a book of fiction not a non fiction autobiography which makes it a book of lies
     
  18. fiddlerdave

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    Like your "communists", "socialists", and "librals"?
     
  19. Radio Refugee

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    It'd be interesting to determine if this qualifier is careful hedge. I won' be buying any books to find out but....the source is world class lying scumbags mediamatters.lie.
     
  20. leftlegmoderate

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    Forget about composite characters, what's with this non-sense?

    That's just... bizarre.
     
  21. WatcherOfTheGate

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    That is some whacky (*)(*)(*)(*) for sure.
     
  22. dadoalex

    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Must be tough waking up every day looking for something to be outraged over.

    Have you tried Metamucil?
     
  23. Grokmaster

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    Who needs that? Obama's never- ending economic and foreign policy blunders have been scaring the crap out of us for about four years now...
     
  24. Hoosier8

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    Evidently Genevieve exists and says Obama took her to a play but the rest was made up. What's up with that? No link, on phone.
     
  25. Curmudgeon

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    The only problem is that in both the hardback and paperback editions of his book, he states in the preface that some of the people in the book are composites. There was no attempt to deceive.

    source
     

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