Obama Panics! Deep State Reporter Isikoff Releases His “Leaked” Call

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  1. Heartburn

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    I think Americans are beginning to measure the value of freedom we have always taken for granted. Tens of thousands of Americans have died to acquire and keep that freedom. When we don't value the rights listed in the Constitution above all other aspects of living in this country we will no longer be unique but will become part of the one world herd.

    We have recently seen Armed Americans responding to perceived government over reach and we all take something different from those scenes. They are called storm troopers by some and probably heroes by others but what they are is fed up Americans who see the trade we are making is a bad deal. We might also note the lack of actual violence.
     
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    Those are world wide numbers, sad but I fail to see how keeping Americans locked up at home will help the numbers in Argentina.
     
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    If this is a demonstration of your way of thinking, then it us understandable that you would have trouble understanding fact from fiction. General Flynn was against the US arming the Kurds because they would use those weapons to attack an fellow NATO nation. He was against arming radical Islamic groups in Syria. Your claim that he wanted the US to attack or invade Iran is not supportable. General Flynn pointed out an open secret that Iran was arming and backing Houthi is Yemen. He was against the fake Iranian Nuke treaty, and told Iran that they were on notice for their Ballistic Missile test. But none of that supports your claim that the General wanted attack or invade Iran is completely unsupportable.

    I know you liberals have a double standards when dealing with justice. It is alright if Biden goes to Ukraine and threatens to withhold $1 Billion in aide unless they fired the prosecutor that was investigating the company that his son was working for. But if President Trump suspends military aid to Ukraine, never tries to leverage the aid against a request to investigate the firing of the Ukrainian prosecutor. That according to you liberals constitutes Quid quo pro, but Biden's actions did not.

    You can not hide from certain facts. First, the FBI/DOJ used a fake dossier, altered documents and omitted statements to obtain FISA Warrants to spy on the President Trump Campaign. According to the DOJIG and the FISA Court itself, these actions were fraudulent. The FBI then used those illegally obtained FISA warrants to listen in on a conversation between General Flynn and the then-Russian Ambassador. They had the transcript of the conversation. The Obama Administration then unmasked Flynn. Even though the DOJ/FBI had a copy of the transcript of the conversation, and knew that there was no crime committed, they still opened an investigation, When the FBI agents wanted to close the investigation, Peter Strzok and Joe Pientka went to the White House, and staged an ambush interrigation. There actions were nothing short of entrapment.

    The Russian Collusion investigation was illegally opened. The warrants were fraudulently obtained. The interview of Flynn, as stated in the newly released memo, was designed to get him to lie so they could get him fired, and prosecute him. If you follow the facts, you can not call the Obama Administration's actions legal.

    Weak minds are easily fooled (Generalized statement). I'll take the facts, and leave the rhetoric to you.
     
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    Why do you think people won't go to the mall? They go to Walmart, Target and Lowes and big box groceries. They have lined up to buy restricted amounts of necessities. Why do you think they wouldn't walk into a store without a line?
     
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    You would think being put under oath then lying to the fbi and a federal judge would be easy to avoid. Nope, Trump and everyone who stands near or by him, lies like they breathe.

    geesus, just tune in Trump anytime he appears on TV. He spews lies continuously.
     
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    They are frauds. Most Americans are upset because the government has done too little to protect them. Corporate profit comes first, infections are way down the list for Trump and his cronies.....
     
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    Nothing you said contradicts my statement that Trump is the most peaceful President I have known. Certainly more peaceful than Obama who started wars in Libya and Syria.

    Not having allies is a good way to avoid wars. Why should I give a damn about the Kurds? They have been fighting the Turks since before Columbus discovered America.
     
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    The leftist don't care about the abuse of the rule of law. They are only interested in subjugation at this point.
     
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    But sorry to say ... but those who then stay on their civil rights of freedm and don't accept restrictions to secure health of their neighbours to be infected and maybe fatal infected ... are arrogant, selfish people for me. I wish these people that they get really badly infected with COVID-19, need a bed in the intensive care unit and then unfortunately are told that there is no space left for them = bad luck and then you die. These people deserve no other way because they endanger and even take the lives of others out of selfishness.

    And as far as protecting your own constitutional rights and civil rights per se ... sorry again ... but most Americans have lost to me anyway and are only reaping the laughter. There was an Edwards Snowden who has irrefutably proven that the US government is totally wire tapping on its citizens illegally and against the constitution and has thrown their civil rights into the trash can ... millions of times!
    And ...? To date, most Americans only shrug their shoulders that their government knows and stores illegally more about them, so as these people they know about themselves! Even more ... the same ignorant people want to put Edward Snowden on the electric chair for that.

    So no American needs to come here with his civil rights and freedom because it is ridiculous!
     
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    See, this is where liberals are ignoring the facts. When the FBI was interrogated at the White House, he was not put under oath. He was not even informed that making a false statement could constitute a crime. He was not told that he was the subject of the investigation. Let us also not forget that the investigation of Flynn was an offshoot of the Russian Collusion Investigation. The warrants used to ease drop on the conversation was obtained using a fake dossier paid for by the opposition party, altered documents and at least 17 omissions of facts. Meaning that the FISA Warrants were fraudulent. The conversation between Flynn and the then-Russian Ambassador was over heard on these wire taps. The FBI had the transcripts of the conversation, and knew that nothing in the conversation constituted a crime. So, there was no reason to start the investigation. When the original investigators reported that there was no crime, the Strzok and Pientka went to the White House unannounced and conducted an ambush interview.

    Strike one is the illegal actions to obtain the FISA Warrants that allowed the FBI to listen in on the conversation. The second strike was opening an investigation without any probable cause of a crime being committed. The third strike was the fact that Strzok and Peintka did not notify the White House legal Council that they would be interviewing General Flynn, failure to inform the General that he was the subject of the investigation, and the basis of the investigation was to get Flynn to lie and fired. Three strikes, and their out. General Flynn, you are free to go with the apology of the nation!!!!!
     
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    Oh ... so Gaddafi who was responsible for many terror acts does not matter suddenly for these righty Americans? Why then threating Iran now and why do you care about them at all, eh? Hypocrisy from you!

    Interesting your view about allies and gives proof to me that it is a very bad idea to be allied with the USA ... because anyone else on this planet is more trustworth as ally than the USA.
    Gratitude is a foreign word for the US ... because as soon as the ally is no longer useful, Washington will simply drop it.

    And that is exactly what the world is recognizing more and more, which is why you are more and more alone in the world and have less and less to say ... you are no longer really taken seriously.
     
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    And you really believe that BS?
     
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    Are you from East Germany?
     
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    it is fact and well-known that he created the ready to go attack plan against Iran in detail ... you missed that really?
    And as Bush Jr. had chosen to attack Saddam just prior he became President and after did all to make war against Saddam .. Trump has chosen Iran from the beginning on ... only not attecked yet ... not yet, but will come if he is elected again.

    The Nuke Deal wit Iran was very good, but Righties still did not get it and come as their idol Trump with issues which were not part of the Nule deal like Iranian missile program. Who the f*** is so impudent to forbid iran to build such missiles when all others around them have such missles, eh?

    And open secret that Iran backs Houthi? it is OK, because as Saudi regime back the bloody governemnt of Yemen it is fine for me that iran does so.

    It reminds me on issues when US public became upset when in Iran again some people were executed due to evil Sharia law ... but no one noted or was interested when 2 weeks later same happened in Saudi Arabie ...

    About this with Biden ... sorry unproven claim!

    Facts? Well ... very interesting that as sooon as trump has removed all those who he did not like in all these institutions, the counter witch hunt starts with suddely existing documents. Sorry ... I believe Mr. Fake news Trump not a single word. For me these new isses are all fakes ... and now i will play the same sort of weak minds who wear the red MAGA hat and told the same before to protect their idol.
     
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    No ... why? Because this sounds to you communistic? Well ... this is logical thinking, because the society in all is more important ans the individium. Take a look in your own cnstitution ... it starts with "we the people..." right ... so no I instead we, isn't it?
     
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    Fine with me. I think the US should look after its own citizens and have little to do with the rest of the world. Let them fend for themselves.

    Isn't that what you foreigners want anyway?
     
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    Apparently, you didn't scroll down far enough...

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    Not a smart plan. This is what happened when Trump decided to go it alone on trade with China.

    https://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/press/index.cfm?id=2115

    Trumpers should watch what actually happens instead of listening to Trump propaganda.
     
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    Because you sound very German. It says We the people because that's who it is designed to protect and govern. It still works.
     
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    When does a big box store not have a crowd in the store?

    Old folks in particular, 20% of the population, avoid restaurants, malls, theaters, bars, airplanes, etc. when SARS-CoV-2 is circulating. A lot of other people are at this point fearful of possible the long-term consequences of a COVID-19 infection--heart disease, blood clots. Others are concerned about the impact on children.
     
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    That number is an estimate, so far there are 85k US deaths. That is a lot but just how accurate is the count? If you have terminal cancer and contract Covid and then die it's a Covid death. It seems there is some monetary advantage to covid deaths.
     
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    You are just repeating an extremely conservative estimate of what people will do if the doors are opened. I can tell you that you are wrong but you will just have to see for yourself. There is the fact that government has placed restrictions on numbers of customers currently, why would they do that if people are going to be too fearful to go out?
     
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    To quote Shakespeare, "Much ado about nothing." There is a contingent plan for the invasion of Russia, China, North Korea, and on and on. Every Administration put's together contingency plans for every scenario they can think of. For Flynn, the Pentagon and the Joint Chiefs of Staffs to prepare these contingency plans is nothing more then business as usual.

    Again, not usual. Plus, Bush Jr had an additional motivator. Just prior to Bush Jr being elected Saddam staged an operation to assassinate Bush Sr. Of course, if we had a conservative President, that would have been considered an act of war. But Clinton was too busy playing hide the cigar.

    Question: What flavor is the Kool-Aid that your drinking? The Iran deal accomplished nothing but to give Iran a bunch of money. Iran was supposed to stop testing missiles as part of the plan, but they never stopped. Even prior to US pulling out of the agreement. What kind of arms treaty does not have inspections to verify the claims that testing had been stopped. Not a legitimate one.

    Your British now? If you truely checked the history of the conflict, you would see that there are atrocities on both sides. No matter who eventually gains control of that country, if it is ever settled, there will be blood on both the winner's and loser's hands. This is why we should not get into a conflict in the middle-east with the exception of protecting international waterways, and supporting Israel.

    Frankly, actions in Iran and Saudi Arabia and their inherence to Sharia Law is their own problem. It becomes our problem when the Muslims in this country tries to set up one of their kangaroo courts in the United States.

    Strange. It would seem to me that Biden's own claim that he did go to Ukraine and told them that if they want a $1 Billion in Aid they had to fire the prosecutor. Biden's admission that it happened is good enough for me!!!!

    Let me see if I got this right. The Obama DOJ/FBI conducted an illegal investigation, violated FISA Laws, in order to spy on the opposition party candidate, and try to get the President Impeached, But, since President fired all those involved, that means that they are not guilty and the operation is nothing but an anti-witch hunt investigation. So, I guess you are admitting that the DNC, and the Obama Administration were conducting a witch hunt investigation. Since that is what you agree that they were doing then I think that you would understand why the President Trump Administration would investigate who was conducting that witch hunt. You seen when the conservatives run the DOJ, it stands of the Department of Justice. But when the Democrats are in control, it is the Department of Just Us.
     
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    What do I care if Europe wants to sell its soul to China for a mess of pottage?
     
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    It's a model, fer crissake.
    You Trumpers just keep making stuff up. Doctors filling out death certificates are all dishonest types. You must be terrified going to see your doc.
     

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