Obama sending 3,000 troops into the heart of the Ebola zone in Africa.

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  1. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    you don't know much about china's history of isolationism, do you?

    just like you didn't know about the long history of military humanitarian missions

    it's called ignorance and you've been arguing out of it for some time
     
  2. Tahuyaman

    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    Personally, I don't care what any UN official says about anything. If it's such a huge problem, they should make it their number one priority. Instead they are worrying about law enforcement policy and actions in the US.

    Second, if our president says something, I tend to think it's either not true or greatly exaggerated. Especially if some mindless morons from the UN agree.
     
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    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    I did participate in two humanitarian service missions in the Army. One was fighting forest fired in Yellowstone and Idaho. The other was securing Kurdish refugees in Guam. Neither of which required us to perform tasks we were not trained and able to perform.
     
  4. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    like that means something

    too bad, the leaders are leading, you can keep your head buried in the sand for all i care
     
  5. Tahuyaman

    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    I'm still waiting for the first left wing partisan hack to say "we are broke, who's going to pay for it"?

    They won't because they are left wing partisan hacks.
     
  6. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    that's pretty much what perry said about securing the texas border, while begging obama for money
     
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    Day of the Candor Well-Known Member

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    Wake up people! You want another good reason not to send US troops to Africa?
    "At least eight Ebola aid workers and journalists were reportedly murdered and dumped in a latrine in a remote village in Guinea in a frightening example of the growing distrust locals have of foreigners coming to help stem the mushrooming health crisis."
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...ortedly-killed-in-cold-blood-by-villagers-in/

    How many reasons do we need to pull our heads out of our butt and butt out of Africa!
     
  8. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    oh look, more dumb scare tactics from fox news
     
  9. Tahuyaman

    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    I'm sure there are many who think it's racist to oppose this military deployment.
     
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    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    This will just support the left wingers view that our military must be deployed to protect the medical personnel there to help.

    What happens when our soldiers kill one or a group of the criminal types looking to exploit the aid workers? The same people leading the cheers for this will start leading the cheers to prosecute the soldiers for crimes against humanity.

    But they still won't say "we are broke, who's going to pay for it"?

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    Is it the truth? Do you care?
     
  11. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    stop being such a fraud
     
  12. Tahuyaman

    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    Yep, there's no potential here for something to go horribly wrong and get mired down in another place we have no business being.

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    Explain that one?


    This ought to be good.
     
  13. dujac

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    making an appeal with fake emotional tripe, for example:

    "does mommy care?"
     
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    CRUE CAB New Member

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    When the 3 doctors came back they were worried they didn't have enough meds for them. Now we are talking potentially 3000.
    Sound legit.
     
  15. Tahuyaman

    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    ^^^^ not shy about making a fool of himself.
     
  16. dujac

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    i'm pleased to be telling the truth

    you seem to be projecting your own foolish feeling


    Jon Stewart Interviews Bill Clinton on Ebola Crisis and ISIS - 9/18/2014

    [video=youtube;zVk_iC_Vw2k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVk_iC_Vw2k[/video]
     
  17. Tahuyaman

    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    What? You're kidding, right?
     
  18. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    no, it's your arguments that are jokes and have been discredited repeatedly

    audio recording link



    transcript


    MELISSA BLOCK, HOST:

    There's a word we're hearing a lot these days when officials talk about the Ebola epidemic in West Africa.


    PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: It's spreading faster and exponentially.

    BAN KI-MOON: Ebola is an exponential crisis.

    DAVID NABARRO: It is advancing in an exponential fashion.

    BLOCK: We heard President Obama, U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and David Nabarro, another U.N. official, speaking this week. Now, exponential is a word you don't ever want to hear in the same sentence as Ebola. NPR's Michaeleen Doucleff explains why.

    MICHAELEEN DOUCLEFF, BYLINE: Right now, we've had more than 5,000 cases of Ebola and at least 2,600 people have died. Alessandro Vespignani, at the Northeastern University in Boston, is one of the scientists taking numbers like that and putting them into computer models to see where the epidemic is going.

    ALESSANDRO VESPIGNANI: And you know, for instance, in our modeling we see that mid-October, we are already between 10 to 25,000 cases.

    DOUCLEFF: Five-thousand cases of a Ebola is bad. Ten to 25,000 cases is crazy. And that's why you want to pay attention to the word exponential. This outbreak is following an exponential curve. On a chart, it looks a little like a J. So what does that mean?

    VESPIGNANI: Well, an exponential curve is a curve that doubles every certain amount of time.

    DOUCLEFF: Right now, this outbreak doubles within a month. If help doesn't arrive in time and we have about 15,000 Ebola cases in mid-October, then there will be 30,000 cases by mid-November, 60,000 by mid-December.

    VESPIGNANI: And you see that, right away, you get very scary numbers.

    DOUCLEFF: So every day or week that goes by, the epidemic gets harder and harder to control. The number of cases rises. The number of beds, doctors and nurses needed to stop it keeps going up, quicker and quicker. And Alessandro Vespignani says the actual number of cases is likely much higher than what's been reported, which means the models are underestimating the situation anyway you look at it.

    VESPIGNANI: The window of opportunity is closing in a sense. And that's why it is very important to understand that this is the moment to act.

    DOUCLEFF: OK, when I heard this, I thought it sounded a bit alarmist. But then I talked with several more disease modelers and the message was similar. Jeffrey Shaman, of Columbia University, is making models for the U.S. government. And, in fact, when he first saw the results of his models, the numbers were so high that he was afraid to make them public.

    JEFFREY SHAMAN: I didn't want to scare people, but we're really in uncharted territory here. We've never had a sustained outbreak of Ebola like this, certainly nothing of this magnitude. It's never penetrated into cities and city slums.

    DOUCLEFF: Before you fall off your chair at these numbers, the world did get some welcome news this week. On Tuesday, President Obama announced plans for the U.S. military to provide 1,700 hospital beds in West Africa. It will also help set up training facilities for health care workers.

    Do you think that 1,700 beds is enough? Is this something that you think could actually start to turn the tide?

    SHAMAN: Well, I hope so, and I know that doesn't give you a really great answer.

    DOUCLEFF: Because here's the thing about the exponential curve; it can turn on a dime. Tiny changes in how the virus spreads can make huge differences in the number of cases. If these countries could even get a little bit of help, perhaps slow the spread so that sick people only infect one person instead of two, it dramatically cuts the total cases Jeffrey Shaman predicts for October.

    SHAMAN: For our improved scenario, we have something about 7,700 cases instead of 15,000 come October 19th.

    DOUCLEFF: Now, we do need to remember that these models come with a lot of caveats. For starters, they don't do a good job at making predictions far out into the future, just like with weather forecasts.

    SHAMAN: The farther out you go the more uncertain it is.

    DOUCLEFF: That's because to really predict what's happening way out in November, we need to have a good idea what will happen in October. And of course, we don't know that yet. But Shaman says there's one thing they are sure of - help needs to come fast because even if the new, beefed-up aid starts to slow down the epidemic next week, it'll take a year or a year and a half to wipe out Ebola from West Africa. Michaeleen Doucleff, NPR News.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=349341606
     
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    What? You're kidding, right?
     
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    try to unstick yourself, then read my previous post
     
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    Just read where villagers are killing aid workers. So, now they get to kill US soldiers.

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    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/09/19/at-least-8-ebola-aid-workers-reportedly-killed-in-cold-blood-by-villagers-in/
     
  22. dujac

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    that's why the workers need help and why we're giving it to them

    it's called a network of cooperation, something the world needs more of
     
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    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    It's too discouraging to do that.
     
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    YOU go.
     
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    Tahuyaman Well-Known Member

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    And what will you say when a soldier kills someone who was looking to harm these aid workers? Then what are you going to say when the host country tries to prosecute that soldier? Blame Bush for that too?
     

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