Obama spying on Germany's leaders phone

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/10/23/merkel-calls-obama-spying-mobile-phone



I know exactly what Obama said without even being able to hear the convo.

"this...is...unacceptable, and let...me...be clear....we...will get to...the bottom of this...and.....I will hold those....responsible...accountable for their actions"

 

So it was said Obama didn't know about this. So that means that the NSA was also spying on Obama since, they were spying on Merkels phone calls.

So either Obama is lying, or he is severely inept at his job.

Either way he is a failure.

 

For all the stuff Obama doesn't seem to know, begs the question who the hell is actually running the government?

 

Finalized intelligence reports, the kind the President sees, are scrubbed of source data. If the information came off the German Chancellor's phone, the President wouldn't see any reference to that as the source.

Also, these taps began as far back as 2007. Who was President then?

 

He just has to say he did not know just like the other countries leaders have to say they are outraged. Its all diplomacy and business as usual. Of course we are spying on them and yes they are spying on us. The only real issue is that the papers found out. I would be mad if we were NOT spying on all of them. Thats the whole dang purpose of the NSA and CIA to begin with.

 

This.

I don't understand why people are outraged that an intelligence service tasked with collecting foreign signals intelligence was collecting foreign signals intelligence.

Do you guys just have a standard reactionary hate-on now any time the NSA is mentioned doing anything?

 

I doubt anyone cares that we did it, its the whole getting caught thing that pisses people off...

 

We didn't "get caught". A SPY and TRAITOR is giving away our secrets for the express purpose of damaging America.

And the Rightwing is cheering him on.

 

Well, it started 10 years ago. You know, back when the Bush Administration claimed the authority to use warrantless wiretaps?

 

Now all we need is Carney (aptly named) to come out with "the president had no knowledge of this... blah", and Obama to hold a press conference saying, "I had no knowledge... blah, blah", and then "... this policy is just more leftover problems created by my predecessor in combination with House Republicans... blah, blah, blah"....

 

Very true but dont worry he found a place of true freedom. Russia will allow him to breath finally without government spying on him.

 

That's actually Obama's fault for not getting Snowden in China before he left for Russia, nor being able to convince Putin to hand him over.

 

Yeah! It's almost as if he doesn't personally run through the millions of hours of data that the NSA seems to be collecting. WTF OBAMA?!

 

Seriously? It's Obama's fault that we didn't invade China and that we had nothing that Russia wanted in exchange for a giant foreign relations coup?

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Wiretaps against foreign targets have never needed warrants.

 

You really don't get it, he is supposedly ignorant of way too many things for that to fly... Either he doesn't have control of his own subordinates, or he's simply lying. Had he not had this problem in the past of not being informed, I seriously would give him a pass for spying on Germany and other foreign countries but its the pattern of ignorance that is creating a problem for me on this issue...

 

Who said anything about invasion? There is no way we don't have something either of those countries wouldn't have traded him for. It was purely an Obama blunder.

 

Outrage at Obama on this issue only shows how little Rightwingers on this site know about the intelligence community or how intel reporting works.

 

Here's the thing. Complain all you want about the NSA's activities. I think that's great. But none of this (*)(*)(*)(*) seemed to be too much of a problem when our nation decided that hunting down terrorists was more important than ensuring our rights. So naturally, while all these powers were percolating, anyone... ANYONE who spoke out against it was admonished by the right-wing. Terms like traitor and jihadi lover were tossed about.

Now you guys don't like it because the toolset that was custom crafted nearly a decade ago to be expansive and all infiltrating has expanded? We're also just supposed to forget about the "War on Drugs" that's been waging a war on our freedoms for nearly 1/2 a century?

Well, I have one thing to say to all you people: BOO (*)(*)(*)(*)ING WHOOO!

Next time, don't treat everyone like (*)(*)(*)(*) who actually does something other than bend over a chair and take it from the police state.

Once these kind of programs are set up and established. It is all but impossible to completely clean them out.

 

Like what? Back up this speculation with some evidence.

 

Lol, no you wouldn't.

In fact, I guarantee that if something happened that this intel had even slightly perceived chance of stopping, you would have been one of the first to jump on yet another Obamahate train.

Doesn't matter what he does. The right-wing will continue their standard, and a played out, tactic of hyper criticizing everything and anything the President Obama does.

 

Are you trying to convince me that Obama doesn't understand how the agencies he's supposed to be in charge of work? Everyone knows we spy on all of future enemies, err I mean allies, but once you're caught fess up for it and move on. This idiotic response of feigned ignorance just makes it look like our government is out of control with nobody at the helm...

 

Finalized intel reports have their source data scrubbed out of them. It helps protect a source and prolong is viability. The only way that Obama would know if we were tapping the Chancellor's phone is if A) he asked someone who was cleared and read on to that information about it directly, or B) he was micromanaging the (*)(*)(*)(*) of the NSA and was present when the reports were being compiled before the source info was scrubbed out.

 

He is supposed to say he didnt know just like the other world leaders are supposed to act outraged. I do not see how this is any different then any other time a world leader as lied to the world because of diplomatic expediency. He does have to work with these people in the future after all.

 

Oh please, don't try and play the fool now, you know that there are things both China and Russia want, perhaps their prices were too high or the administration didn't feel Snowden was as damaging as he turned out to be.

 

Then I'd say it's about time that he reign that bunch in - how about it? After all, if he's not knowledgeable of what these agencies are doing, he's still supposed to be responsible for what they're doing. And just maybe he better start finding out what they're doing - and do something about it. I know - I used the "R" word. But think about it. They have been making him look like kind of a low life tyrant lately and if that isn't so, then it behooves him to put these armies of spies that we just have to have or else in their place.