Obamacare A Big Lie From The Start...

dude, you've been refuted so many times, it's no longer funny.Obama, guns, socialism...they fail you

 

Another Obamacare horror story. Went for a haircut this morning and asked my hairdresser if she's still working parttime at Sally's Beauty Supply. She said she still has the job, but figures she'll quit soon because she mainly worked there because they provided health insurance. Thanks to Obamacare, they canceled their policies, and now she has NO insurance.

OCare... helping thousands by hurting millions.



 

Looks like the lefties prefer to ignore the Obamacare disaster. Too bad millions of Americans are paying double and triple premiums so freeloaders get subsidies. Don't read this post, libs... it'll make you want to blame Bush (or somebody).

Rejoice, people. Americans are suffering because of Obamacare. Must make you so proud.

Kathy Loan
OK, bigtime supporter of ACA. Seriously. But I have had a nightmare of a time navigating this site since October, unable to log in, unable to see anything, different amounts quoted for coverage and allowance. Met with a navigator, total waste of time. Tried to file an appeal via the instructions as they read and was told I couldn't appeal as the written instructions said to, finally after months more of efforts and on phone for five hours a day got rate nailed down. Still unaffordable for me. Email after email says if you can afford health insurance and don't enroll blah blah blah. I do not believe I can afford it at the rates I am given plus it doesn't pay for anything until I meet $6300 deductible. Might as well not have insurance IMO, but fine, I play the game. Then your phone staff tells me I am not eligible for the extension to today no matter how many press releases and news stories I read them. THEN you call and email me and say I am. Cut to the chase. I have "enrolled" in a plan I really shouldn't. It doesn't pay squat. But I have enrolled. Then I added optional dental and every plan was for adult and 1 child. I have no child. will it be lower? Why are my rates higher than my friends who make more money than me or same as me or less than me and either smoke but said they didn't or haven't lived or worked here for but a few years. They are paying less for top tier plans that pay EVERYTHING for nothing or $50 or a family for $200 plus than I am paying for the bottom second rung. AGAIN, I am FOR this plan, and look at what I have experienced. MAJOR FAIL HERE, staff.Edited*·*Like*·*Reply*·*47 minutes ago

https://m.facebook.com/Healthcare.g...8618336187410.24429.130163127032931&source=46

 

The next ObamaCare disasters:

On Friday the president used the long-awaited resignation of Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to again claim victory for his namesake health law. “She got it fixed, got the job done,” Obama said.

Right.

Sorry, there is plenty more bad news ahead.

It’s not called SebeliusCare, and she wasn’t to blame for most of its problems. The horrors were mostly baked into the law, with some made worse by the president’s dishonest hard sell to get unsuspecting Americans to sign up.

Premium defaults

Obama claimed Friday that 7.5 million people have enrolled in exchange coverage. In fact, perhaps 20 percent haven’t paid their first premium and therefore aren’t covered, according to estimates by RAND Corp. and Goldman Sachs.

The bigger question is how many will keep paying premiums. That’s got the American Medical Association, a chief ObamaCare booster, so worried that it’s sending warnings to its members.

Why the concern? First-time insurance purchasers, especially those living paycheck to paycheck, will be shocked by ObamaCare’s high deductibles, about $3,000 for the silver plan (the most commonly selected) and $5,000 for the bronze plan (the most affordable).

Basically, you’ll have to pay thousands out of pocket for appointments, tests and prescriptions until you reach your deductible.

Millennials who heard Obama say on “Between Two Ferns” that they can buy a health plan for the price of a cellphone contract won’t be laughing when they realize what the $5,000 deductible means. (It’s like a cellphone contract that makes you pay $5 a text for your first thousand texts.) Rather than pay thousands out of pocket for care while also paying premiums, some will quit paying premiums.

That’s why the AMA is worried. Section 1412 of the health law gives consumers a 90-day “grace period” before their subsidized plan is canceled for nonpayment. But insurers only have to keep paying doctors and hospitals for 30 days. The next 60 days of care are on the care provider. The AMA says “it could pose a significant financial risk for medical practices.”

Premium hikes

Consumers reeling from Obama(*)Care premium shock are in for another jolt when the 2015 rates come out.

Overall, consumers had to pay far more for individual plans this year. In some states (Delaware and New Hampshire), rates went up 90 percent or even 100 percent, according to a newly released Morgan Stanley analysis.

And insurance executives already are warning about double- or triple-digit hikes for next year. “I do think it’s likely premium-rate shocks are coming,” said Chet Burrell, CEO of Care First BlueCross BlueShield. Aetna CEO Mark Bertolini, one of the first to raise the alarm, said increases “could go as high as 100 percent.”

In most states, insurers will be setting their 2015 rates in June, but the administration is doing everything possible to keep the grim news under the radar until after the November elections. It even postponed the beginning of the open enrollment period until Nov. 15.

Losing on-the-job coverage

But there’s no way to hide the impact on the 25 million to 30 million Americans who could lose coverage in the coming months.

For the same reasons that millions of policies in the individual market were canceled last year, employers who buy plans in the small-group market will have a hard time renewing their old plans this year. Many will have to choose between providing the more costly ObamaCare benefit package or dropping coverage altogether.

Count on employers with low-wage work forces (such as retailers, hoteliers and restaurateurs) to push employees and their families into the exchanges.

Protests over cancer care

Cancer is the leading cause of death in America and our No. 1 health fear. But access to the nation’s top cancer centers is becoming a hot-button issue, as ObamaCare enrollees are finding how few choices of hospitals and doctors they have.

Many plans exclude all specialty cancer hospitals, even though research shows that women with ovarian cancer, for example, live a year longer when they are treated at high-volume cancer hospitals instead of local facilities. But insurers say they’d have to raise premiums for exchange plans even higher if this growing outrage over access to cancer centers forces them to broaden their networks.

The president said Friday that ObamaCare has “turned the corner.” Not exactly. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell says he hopes the confirmation hearings for Sebelius’ successor, Sylvia Mathews Burwell, “will be the start of a candid conversation about ObamaCare’s shortcomings.”

That could take a while.

Source

 

but but but but ........it's WORKING right, sure. Sibelius resigned to save what's left of her shallow pool of dignity and to avoid questioning...

 

Next to robbing hard working people to subsidize do-nothings... the thing that really makes my blood boil are reports like this:

(from FB post linked above)

At one time in my sordid past, I couldn't pay my electric bill and instead of calling to make arrangements to pay it late, I just ignored it. They cut it off. Came to the house one morning and told me they were cutting it off. I pleaded and offered to pay with a credit card on the spot... they wouldn't take it and told me I had to call and do it by phone. In the meantime, they turned the power off. I held on the phone, in the dark, for those people for 6 solid hours and waited another 12 hrs for service to be restored. One of the most demeaning experiences of my life. Groveling to a utility company is one thing. I understood I was being punished and learned the lesson well.

Point is... American citizens are being forced by our own govt to hold on the phone for HOURS -- groveling for healthcare insurance because they have no choice. And they didn't do anything to deserve that kind of demeaning experience. I'm very fortunate not to be directly affected by OCare, but I can certainly relate to the stories of what these people are going through. It makes me sick.

No pun intended.

 

LOL, I'll bet the White House made this up or its written by a prog poser.

First clue, Bearden is a psychologist. Have you ever met a conservative psychologist?

 

Actually no, I haven't.
That may be because the study of the human mind makes it fairly obvious that conservatism is a result of a larger amygdala (that's the structure in the brain that is active during states of fear and anxiety), and a reduced anterior cingulate cortex (the region of the brain that helps people cope with complexity).
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/calling-truce-political-wars/
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-fear-brain-study-finds

 

Again posting links you have not read. The SciAm article is not derogatory at all, which I am sure was the point of your including it.

The Psych article is based on a study of 90 college students who self-identified their political leanings. As if college students have a firm grasp on their beliefs, most cannot even pick a major subject without help or a year or 2 of college.

And you certainly didnt look at the data, the correlation is weak. Every single category from "very liberal" to "very conservative" had large overlap. If it was shown as a venn diagram, half the subjects would overlap.

Its funny that you try to denigrate conservatives but are not smart enough to actually read your "evidence". LOL

 

It's funny that you believe college students don't have a firm grasp on their beliefs, but that 17 year olds signing up for military service do.

It's equally funny that you believe "liberal" and "conservative" are absolutes, and that there are no "shades of grey" that often result in overlapping ideology. I guess that speaks to the extremism in your position.

 

LOL, obviously you have never been in the military. 17 year olds dont know squat, but after a few years of hard work under the gaze of the appropriate Gunny they get their act togethor. 17 year olds that go to college dont know squat either, but unlike the military man the "students" won't get their act togethor for many, many years - if ever.

Thank you very much for making my original point!

Young people shift their politics all the time, having them self-identify their current politics is meaningless. Young people tend to be liberal, older conservative. Thats a terrible metric for the study.

And its not just political identity that has huge overlap, the brain size also had huge overlap. The margins of error meant that over half the people could have been anywhere on the political or brain size spectrums. Stupid study, used for a stupid purpose.

 

Wrong again. I did serve, and didn't have a Gunny watching over my shoulder when I chose to do so.

Let me get this straight... you agree that people's political beliefs are a spectrum that consists of a lot of middle ground, but disagree that any physical differences in the brain could make a difference as to where a person's views are on the political spectrum... and it's the study that's "stupid"?!

 

The reader will note that the poster attacks the source but fails to offer any proof to contrast with the conclusions made in it. Obviously it is because he has not proof. Therefore he is actually validating my post.

 

Your source was whitehouse.gov. The same people who said "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan."

What makes you think proven liars are a credible source?

 

The study examines 90 college students based on their self-identifying their place in the political spectrum. Peoples politics change considerably over time and circumstance. Very young people (college students) have very maleable views, are subject to peer pressure, and that early in life frequently don't know what they truly believe.

Therefore the metric of political belief used by the study is not useful.

And when you look at the margin of error in the study, you see the standard deviation error is so large all of the categories overlap. The correlations are weak and barely exist.

The study does not show that physical differences in the brain drive political belief. The study doesn't prove that political belief leads to physical changes in the brain, either.

Yes, the study is stupid. It was only published because of its political use, that being giving progs an excuse to claim conservatives are afraid and stupid.

 

It measured the effect of right wing fear mongering on young people, not so stupid for giving the rights wing fear mongerers a measure of their success.

 

The got better plans under Obamacare.

- - - Updated - - -

All the scare stories have been proven to be nothing but lies.

 

Not true. Millions of working people can no longer afford health insurance. Only slackers are getting good rates.

Educate yourself.

https://m.facebook.com/Healthcare.g...://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php&_rdr

Chance Metz
I also like how most people are getting ripped off with insurance they can not afford and then people come out of the woodwork to say more or less the same scripted things that Obama says. If they are not being paid off they even like to argue or be the center of attention. Most people have found out the hard way that the ACA is nothing but a mess and the insurance companies and Obama are laughing their butts off about how they have fooled everyone.Like(*)·(*)14(*)·(*)Reply(*)·(*)Yesterday at 4:37pm

 

contrary to the lies of the delusional far right, MILLIONS more are being covered by ACA:





Obamacare Sign-Ups Hit 8 Million In Remarkable Turnaround

Jeffrey Young

04/17/14

In a remarkable rebound from the botched rollout of Obamacare, 8 million people signed up for private health insurance via the exchanges created by the Affordable Care Act since October, President Barack Obama announced during a press briefing at the White House Thursday.

March and April saw an uptick in the share of young people signing up for private plans using the exchanges. These people, who are presumably healthier, are needed to balance out the medical costs of older, sicker consumers. About 35 percent of people who signed up throughout the open enrollment period were under 35 years old, including children, Obama said. Twenty-eight percent were between the ages of 18 and 34, according to a White House fact sheet.

The official six-month enrollment period ended March 31, but the federal government and most states accommodated people trying to complete applications in April amid a last-minute surge for subsidized private coverage and Medicaid benefits.

"This law is working," Obama said. "This law won't solve all the problems in our health care system. We know we've got more work to do, but we now know for a fact that repealing the Affordable Care Act would increase the deficit, raise premiums for millions of Americans, and take insurance away from millions more."

http://www.huffpost.com/us/entry/5167080






ACA = SAVING MONEY AND LIVES EVERY DAY ---- THANK YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!!!!

 

100 million could sign up. How many have actually paid their premiums to get an active policy? How many are just folks that lost their previous insurance because of the ACA?

 

You mean junk policies that cost them money while providing no useable coverage?

 

Wrong. Policies that were not inflated due to having to cover 26 YO 'children', no lifetime caps and no preconditions as well as having to pay for coverages you do not want.

 

If the government really cared that its citizens could obtain affordable healthcare, they would have not allowed insurance companies to exceed $1000 deductibles on their plans. This mandate was only about you getting coverage and it is clearly not about you being able to afford to obtain healthcare.. The HIGH DEDUCTIBLE is a dead giveaway of what their real intentions are.

The government doesn't want the last 4 years of baby boomers to reach retirement age and the insurance companies do not want to pay for their care prior to reaching 65 years of age. The solution is to increase part time jobs for this age bracket so they can't afford to get coverage and if they can, make sure they have high deductibles so they cannot afford healthcare. They have achieved this goal.

 

''junk policies'' ???



LOL!

I've gotten coverage that works for me. TENS of thousands have readily attested to the same.


ACA works!


Thank you Mr Obama!

 

so most of you think paying 3600 a year or more is a good idea..for that amount you got nothing but the word insurance..what would happen if you had to use it?..a lot of bills that you probably cant afford...no wonder why democrats are not very successful in businesses..