Obamacare: Trump asks Supreme Court to invalidate Affordable Care Act

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  1. struth

    struth Well-Known Member

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    really? can you provide the code section?
     
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    https://mises.org/library/how-government-helped-create-coming-doctor-shortage
    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/182532
    https://www.ucop.edu/federal-govern...s/fact-sheets/fgr-health-factsheet-gme-f1.pdf
    etc...

    Congress allocates money for medical residencies.
    no doctor can practice medicine without license
    license can be only obtained if doctor gets into residency.
    number of residencies = number of licenses.
    number of residencies is capped by the House of representatives
    supply/demand ratio decrease = shortage => outrageously expensive health care
     
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    can you please provide the code section where the house of reps gets to cap the number of doctors?
     
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    Since you asking me totally irrelevant question, it looks like you cannot connect two events, limitation on number of residencies (licenses) by congress and total number of doctors.
    So the conclusion is
    1. Either you are totally incapable to understand anything that includes basic logic.
    2. You have financial interest in the matter and trying to play dumb.
    Thank you for participation though.
     
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    how is it not relevant...you claimed the House of Representatives put a cap...i am just asking you to provide the code section that gives the House that authority

    i will also just highlight the links you provided don’t support your claim
     
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    The cap is on the number of residencies not a number of doctors.
    Read the balanced budget act of 1997 and find it by yourself.
    You can deny that such act exist though, it is not going to make a difference.
    What are you trying to achieve by asking for specific congressional code or procedure?
    Why don't you ask for even more details, like what is a color of congressmen necktie.
    I understand that forms of a sabotaging the facts are endless.
     
  7. struth

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    um i did read your link it’s a cap on medicare funded residency...not all..and it was passed by Congress and doesn’t say anything about the House specifically having some sort of cap on all residences

    i am asking for you to back up that claim you made that the House has some sort of cap on all residencies in th e united states.
     
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    People like 'me' are stealing from you? Not even close.

    You obviously missed a number of pertinent points, such as if you want the government to provide your health care, mandate what procedures you can or cannot have, who you can have them from or where to obtain them, HAVE AT IT. Just do not inflict it on me, I don't want it, nor will I pay for it.

    What you have put forth is you want *A* and everybody should pay for it. That equates to YOU stealing from ME, not the other way around.

    Where do you think the government gets the money to subsidize anyone for anything? Apparently you believe it is a faceless source, and you think they just print more money to pay those bills. Until you understand that taxpayers ARE that faceless source, and when the government does print money it devalues everything the citizens have as assets, the dollar they earn, and increases costs of living for everybody, you will continue not understanding that you are asking everybody else to become subjugated to the government (more than we are) because you feel you are owed something without having put in the effort.
     
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    While I would also like to see 'Trump's plan', you are functioning on the basis that some how insurance will miraculously provide healthCARE. They are not the same thing, and never will be.
     
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    What kind of back up you are expecting?
    Should I explain everything in more details?
    If congress allocates e.g. 100000000 dollars for medical residencies as part of Medicare budget.
    $100000000 translates to 100 spots of residencies.
    100 spots = 100 licenses.
    100 licenses = 100 doctors.
    That is it.

    If congress does not allocates money then no residency spot will be created.
    There is no other process have been established in the United States that would allow medical graduates get medical license.
    The system does not allow graduate to pay for him/herself.
     
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    you said all residences...not just the ones funded with medicare.
     
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    I would agree with you BUT only if you pay 100% for your health insurance.
    Since your health insurance is subsidized by the government that means that I am paying for your insurance as well.
    Since you want your insurance to be managed by expensive private insurance company and you want medicine to be expensive you are taking twice as much of my money.
    If we calculate expenses properly it would appear that you are stealing from me, not the other way around.
     
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    As a practical matter residency spot can be ONLY created by allocating Medicare money.
    If medical graduate is not allowed to pay for his/her residency out of pocket that means there is no other way to create residency.
     
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    haha not at all true. Medicare funded residence are a small percentage

    so to recap..1) no the House doesn’t cap residences 2) Congress did cap the amount funded through medicare 3) you were wrong 4) medical licenses are determine by individual state medical boards, not the House
     
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    2 + 2 = 5
    earth is flat.
    fact denial is my profession
     
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    Once again, you edit out facts I have stated, but let me clarify one more time:

    1. I would prefer that there was no need for insurance, and I pay directly, without use of insurance, for as much as I can reasonably afford. I pay less that my co-pay and/or deductible for a number of things by paying cash, directly.

    2. Insurance is not health care, it is a front loaded payment mechanism, no matter if the person actually receives care or not, and does nothing to address the rising cost of the actual care.

    The government is not subsidizing my health insurance, but you are welcome to think that taking a valid tax deduction of an expense sans payroll taxes as a 'subsidy', have at it.

    But first, clarify that you do not take any deductions, itemized or standard, when you file your tax return, receive no EIC or other credits such as head of household, no assistance programs or discounts under any program that reduces your cost of living, and we'll have an honest discussion.
     
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    it’s pretty obvious denying facts is your profession
     
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    1. whatever you prefer is not a reality.
    2. if insurance has no effect on the price why you do not want me to have access to government managed insurance?
    3. government is subsidizing your health care by reducing taxes for your employer.
     
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    If you find information how residency is created other then through Medicare, let me know.
    So far you are the one who is in denial.
    You also is trying to deny basic economic principle of supply/demand.
     
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    you have yet to provide evidence to show that there are only medicare funded residences.
     
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    The evidence is there is none.
    It looks like you want me to prove something that does not exist?
    If you can't back up your statement when you say that only small portion is created by Medicare, then you are the one who is in denial.

    “The hardest thing of all is to find a black cat in a dark room, especially if there is no cat.”

    ― Confucius
     
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    medicare only provides about 3 billion is funding to residency programs...which cost about 12 billion. Clinics revenue, grants, other federal and state funding etc make up the rest

    i was actually asking you to prove your claim...that you claimed existed. i agree you wouldn’t be able to prove it since it’s not true
     
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    1. What I prefer, I make my reality.
    2. Go ahead and request it, I don't want it for myself. Why do you demand I pay for what you want and I don't want?
    3. Please read your explanation of your insurance coverage, your EOB when you file a claim, and talk to a pharmacist or practitioner of your choice about insurance billing practices.
    4. A subsidy is not letting someone or an entity keep more of what they earned. You need to check the dictionary, obviously.
     
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    Yea sure, why don't you post link about that information.
     
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    Currently you pay roughly 50% for your insurance and 50% is paid by your employer.
    You employer would not pay 50% of your insurance if government does not give employer a tax break.
    How it is not a subsidy?
     

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