Actually, it's a valid point. I would compare Media Matters to the NRA for the exceptiosn of 501c4 than I would compatre the NRA to the President's own 501c4 or with the Tea Party 501c4 groups to Media Matters. Its all a matter of understanding tax law.
The common theme here is that Progressives LOVE the iron fist of government when it is not against them, but cry like toddlers when it is. The very people their ideology comes from are these types of people. Tyrannical dictators, authoritarians and totalitarians. Why do you think Progressives loove Islam so much? Islam has learned how to control people, the Progressive wet dream.
The Dems are the ones who want to CHANGE things....once they get caught. And in this case, they got caught using the IRS to prevent a group of American citizens from participating in an election. And we WILL get to the bottom of just how high up it goes. - - - Updated - - - It's not the only liberal one that has morphed in and out of entities and changed their names and addresses in an effort to hide what they are doing.
No, The Tea Party is a grass roots effort where citizens who believe in smaller government, less spending, getting our debt under control, come together to speak for and fight for those issues. And if you think the NRA doesn't support particular 2nd Amendment candidates, you are sadly mistaken. Media matters was formed to go after Fox News......and to dispute everything they say. They were formed to go after conservative outlets; not liberals ones. That's VERY political. And they also support the candidates that represent their liberal political views. Each of these organizations....including both the liberals ones AND the conservative ones.......try hard to comply with every requirement of their entity. Regarding the last thing you said.....you'd better inform Obama because he has a 501c4 that does JUST that. He tries to influence elections. Some of the letters that come from that organization that have been posted here proves it. But I'll tell you one thing that Obama's demonizing these groups.....like "Americans For Prosperity".....has done. It's made them even more important and raised their status. I, for one, have now donated to them when I had never done so in the past. So are many of my friends and acquaintances. Most people don't like the heavy-handedness from a president like this.....who publicly demonized and abused this group. They have EVERY right to participate....and I reject what this president has done in trying to divide the nation in this manner. And my voice will now speak through my donations.
What is hypocritical is the left blasting them, then doing the same thing, all while they sick the IRS dogs on the conservative groups who want the same status. The left is just plain gay.
NO, it doesn't. Try looking this stuff up before giving out false information. From the IRS' own website.....it takes 90 days. EO Determination Application Process: Upon receipt, exemption applications accompanied by the required user fee are initially separated into four categories: (1) those that can be approved immediately based on the information submitted, (2) those that need minor additional information to be resolved, (3) those that are submitted on obsolete forms or do not include the items specified on the Procedural Checklist, and (4) those that require development. If your application falls within one of the first three categories, you will receive either your determination letter or a request for additional information, via phone, fax, or letter, within approximately 90 days of the date the application was submitted. If your application falls within the fourth category, you will be contacted once the application is assigned to an EO agent for further development. Because these applications may experience some wait time before they are assigned, we regularly publish the receipt date for applications currently being assigned, to help you track your application." http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Where-Is-My-Exemption-Application?
I've posed this question to progressives at least a dozen times; " What is your definition of "social welfare"?" not one has responded. define it...if you dare.
Try backing that claim up with actual evidence. Making it up and shouting crude denials doesn't give your false claim any traction.
I will tell you want it is not. It is not running attack ads targeted against candidates you are supporting. It is not running poltical advertising targeted at specific candidates at all. Social welfare does not include mounting well financed and dishonest campaigns designed to support voter supression efforts. Social welfare doesn't include making false claims in public in order to advance a political agenda. I think this is a question that you should consider dropping. The air is just about out of the right wing IRS meme, even if the rubes haven't figured it out yet. NOBODY really wants a special prosector. And the lawsuit by True the Vote will only wind up exposing the entire right wing 401c4 gambit to public scrutiny. In the end, the courts will wind up ruling that a lot of these approved 501c4 operations should never have been approved in the first place, True the Vote among them. - - - Updated - - - My information is not false. It is based in direct personal experience.
Why don't you? Evidently you seem to think that anyone ought to be able to be tax free and raise unlimited secret campaign cash, and launder it away from public scrutiny. That's what you're defending. "Casino" Jack Abramoff is your kind of guy!
A large part of this is totally false. Nearly every single major national tea party organization is a front for a K Street lobbying firm or for powerful corporate interests like the Koch Brothers. We know this, and we've know it for years. And all of these tea party organizations have worked hard to hide that fact. That is the ONLY reason ANY of them ever applied for 501c4 status. You do not need special tax status to engage in politial activities. You can even be for profit. Conservatives operatives coached their astroturf followers to apply for 501c4 status precisely so they could hide who was actually calling the tune. Americans for Prosperity is a case in point. Hasn't it occurred to you that if the tea party was so grass roots, why is it that they don't want you to know who is really behind them????? Make no mistake, they work hard at hiding that information too. Americans for Prosperity is a front for Koch Industries, nothing more, nothing less. Anyone stupid enough to think that the Americans they want to see prosper include anyone other than Charles and David, deserves the bananna republic world that Koch wants to create (and has spent hundreds of millions promoting for nearly half a century). Media Matters was formed to go after Fox Noise. Someone had to do it. Fox is nothing but a 24/7 advertisement for Republicans and corporate interests dress in the form of AM talk radio with pictures, for the benefit of its not too bright audience. As long as Fox lies, decieves, and shills the way it does, no one over at Media Matters will lack for work. Contrary to your false claim, Media Matters does not engage in campaigns for specific candidates, and does not run poltical advertising on televsion as many of the secret tea party groups. And since Media Matters is not a 501c4 group, it reports its donors.
I was almost 100% certain you'd beg off with something like that. I was not wrong. I ask again, define "social welfare"... understanding just how deeply your conditioning goes is important to me.
Heavy breathing......................... Wait a minute! I'm not the one here defending money laundering and secret campaign cash. That's you guys!
As of yet, it seems none of these stammering Obamabots are willing to risk the hammering I'll give their conditioned defining of "social welfare"....even though it's one of the primary components of their ObamaCo protection propaganda. As I said, I've asked about a dozen times. nothing.
Indeed. Since they're too (*)(*)(*)(*)ing cowardly to put it into words.... Since "inequity" and "unfairness" are inherent byproducts of individual rights and liberty, their centrally planned, "Social Democracy" administered "fairness", "equality" and "social justice" can only be achieved by way of force. thusly...and applying Occam's Razor.... in the eyes of state collectivist progressives, "social welfare" surrounds advocating and promoting ever increasing levels of Big Fed authoritarianism, coercion and control.... while maligning, intimidating and attempting to silence (hello, community agitator Obama, and Obama's IRS) those who believe "social welfare" encompasses self-reliance, personal responsibility and accountability, prosperity through more economic freedom, lower taxes and fewer regulations, and a central government strictly limited to enumerated powers prescribed in the US Constitution.
