Obama's Betrayal of Israel and Arming of Iran

It depends what the current leader will view as "Genocide and annihlation" for one, more than that when Israel does go to an OP Iran will have no problem to shoot it with missiles, 10-100 wont involve Nuke warefare but do that long enough and its a real risk to Israel.

They CAN'T stop Abu Mazen because he is not under their pay roll, they will continue to fuel Hamas that will oppose any agreement thus continuing the fight at much worse conditions to Israel.

Not for us, ofc there are other countries that see it as a threat to them too, I mean im flattered by France but that's really not for Israel's sake...

 

You know, we wouldnt be having this discussion if the Arabs would have won in 1948, there wouldnt be any talks on estableshing a small Jewish state, if both sides will never stop hostility and both see Jerusalem as their historical right, why not judge by current ownership? and if not current ownership why not by current majurity in the city parts? if not that then Palestinians really need to lay down arms and be very nice to Israel if we intend to share a city.

 

Forgive my edit as it is not intended to remove any of the meaning in your statements but just intended to shorten it to the points I'll address.

While I do agree that governments need to deal with their 'fanatics" I disagree with the proposition they should be jailed. Expression of political opinion needs to be protected even when we disagree with it. We can certainly look at Muslim extremists that are way out of line and need to be "attended to" but they're no different than Netanyahu that is also an extremist and needs to be "attended to" by Israel. The coin has two sides.

I agree that when there is preferential enforcement it doesn't represent "justice for all" which should be the goal of the United Nations. Instead when there is preferential treatment it reflects "justice for some" which isn't really the ideal we have for justice. But "justice for some" is still preferable to "justice for none" although that is a sad substitute for "Justice for All" that needs to be the ultimate goal.

Yes, there is the issue of the "Right of Return" as well as the "Right of Property" for those that lost lands because of the creation of Israel. These are issues that require a "Redress of Grievances" related to the violations of the Rights of the Person that should be addressed by an unbiased court of law independent from a peace agreement based upon UN Security Council Resolution 242. There is irony related to the Right of Return and the Right of Property as it relates to Arabs and Israel.

The Zionists claimed a Right of Return to "Israel" based upon coercion that forced them from their "homeland" over 2,000 years ago but fail to recognize the "Right of Return" for Arabs that were forced from the "Israeli" territory that was their homeland by coercion in 1948.

Jews in Europe are allowed to take issues of their Right of Property related to losses incurred because of the Nazis and WW II before unbiased courts that have awarded them both compensation and/or the return of their property while Israel denies access to unbiased courts to the Arabs that lost land in Israel (about 18% of the land in Israel was taken without compensation from Arab landowners from what I understand).

Of note I also endorse the Right of Jews to be able to access civil courts related to the Right of Property for those that lost property in Jordan as well. This goes back to the principle of Justice for All that was previously addressed.

As noted though these are issues that should be resolved by unbiased civil courts. If a person can establish that "Israel" was their homeland then they should be allowed to return to their homeland. If a person can establish that property was taken from them without compensation then they should either be compensated for their loss or the property returned. These are civil matters and not political matters.

As can be seen below as expressed by a member that I know is very "pro-Palestinian" based upon numerous posts simple compliance with UN Security Council Resolution 242 is enough to resolve the political issues and resolve the peace issues related to the Arab nations and Israel.

This Resolution was passed unanimously by the Security Council in 1967 and it has always contained the provisions for a just and lasting peace for Israel although extremists on both sides have historically objected to it. As I mentioned it's time to "shoot the extremists on both sides" because UNSC Resolution 242 is the roadmap to a just and lasting peace between Israel and the Arab nations.

Israel needs to exit all of the territories it occupied in 1967 and allow for those territories to create their own government that will respect all of the provisions of Resolution 242 as well. Resolution 242 is not just applicable to the the Israelis and the Palestinians but also applies to the Lebanese, Jordanians, Egyptians, Syrians, Iranians and all nations because all nations need to respect the territorial integrity of other nations and the Right of these nations to live in peace.

 

As always, yet another series of lies from the delusional far right.

Obama has given Israel more money than anyone else and he has continued the unfair sanctions against Iran.


The facts are clear - only those with drugged up and treasonous minds would say otherwise.

 

Im sorry but I simply dont trust the UN to create a RM for peace between Israel and the Arabs, the dispute is deep as faith is, to depend on the law in such a way requires kind of control the Palestinians do not posses over themselves, either that or break up WB from Gaza and let there be peace with the WB. as normal law cannot stop the Mafia so does UN regulations against civilian terror, its simply has no answer to this threat.

 

Taxcutter used an interesting turn of phrase on Ergodan's plans for a Kurdish State.. He said.. Maybe "Ergodan is trying to manage reality.."

Wouldn't be something if Netanyahu would manage reality?

 

In what sense? Iran? Palestinians ?

 

The reality of continuing to build settlements and recruit settlers.. The reality of policing the settlers.

 

Another Polish Joke. Nuclear equal death, vaporization, spoof the whole darn city is gone... and you come here pointing your crooked finger at America?

Your Host Country should have been left alone to fend for itself in WWII, you would have communicated with us here today in German... ACHTUNG!!!

 

We do, we build, we invent, we care, we live, because this is our Patrimony... Ask your squatter people to pick and leave my country, period.

Then there will be <Peace> and like in New Zealand you will not hear a beep.

 

Remind me to give you a <medal> for this info. Who gives a darn if they want to spend their money on a tapline or in Monaco Casino. Diplomatic relations and Peace is the word of the day...

 

Yes I agree, Netanyahu should manage reality!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
First reality is to repatriate those NON ISRAELI Arabs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Obama has done more for Israel than any recent President.

The Israelis, sure are an ungreatful, backstabbing lot.

 

You seem to be keen for a final solution.........

 

so you support genocide?

how nice of you.

even attempting to expel millions of Arabs would lead to a genocide of 6 million Israeli Jews.

why do you want 6 million Jews to die?

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He supports a Final Solution to the Arab Problem.

 

Because supposedly these countries you mentioned above are <RESPONSIBLE COUNTRIES>

You have deliberately been an anti Israel since the time I read you first and asked you kindly to recuse yourself.
Now you still carry on with your anti Israel banter and badinage. No one knows for sure if Israel is Nuclear for they stated many time before that they will not be the first to deliver one... and this in my eyes is responsibility... Now if ever Israel is hoarding Nuclear arms it is only for self <preservation>.

Iran with their Mullahs have shown how irresponsible they are... under the guise of rule and order they hanged gays, they illeminated anti regime individuals, they are a frivolous theocracy, they pop out like a sore thumb in the middle of the Middle East, they are Partisan Terrorists, and played for Syria and Against it, Hizballa are their proxie soldiers that fill all their demands... They are Terrorists I say because they are introducing their armaments to Arabs opposing Israel... (The truth of the Pudding Israel confiscated a ship load of it). They also have blown a whole Jewish quarter in Buenos Aires Argentina and killed hundreds of Jews who died because they were Jews!

[QUOTEIsrael, as a rogue nuclear weapon nation, is the problem in the Middle East when it comes to potential proliferation of nuclear weapons. It represents a nuclear threat against all other nations in the Middle East which provides the rationalization for other nations to produce nuclear weapons as a deterrent to a possible nuclear weapon attack by Israel.[/QUOTE]

Just the opposite, rather than foam at the mouth with your anti Israel Bias, take off these rosy glasses and find out if it is better to live with a Mullah or a Jew... I know don't tell me you would chose a Mullah!

 

I believe he has betrayed the Likudniks and Neocons. Or maybe not. His oath was not to Bibi Netanyahu.

 

Good. Whenever I hear of pronouncements from the establishment, I think they are just being relayed by the establishment and are actually the Likud's pronouncements.

 

Meh. Israel should be completely and openly shunned from this entire discussion since they refuse to sign up on the non-proliferation treaty and that other one about not having WMD's.

And Obama should do things in the interests of his own country. And it's obvious the fanatic hawks in Israel oppose those interests. Listening to Israel is simply betraying your own country.

 

Iran is looking for 100 Billion in investments over the next three years for their oil sector.. and they have invited all the major oil companies to talk. The oil men are of course skeptical and non-committal at this point. But, IMO its an interesting scenario and may mean that Iran is ready to capitulate on the nuke talks.

 

I dont know how involved he is on that, he made them angrey many times I dont think they trust him, last elections he went on a very vicous attack against them saying behind their list there are all kinds of fanatics, he spend half his party broadcast on that, the real terrorists "price tag" etc' there is no policing they dont listen to their own Knessent members, its not a real org btw its just an occasional group that's wants to do some dmg,

The best the right can achive with an agreement is keeping those towns close to Jerusalem and the fanatics hurt that because they want it all they dont want just a part, same as Hamas only our country is not led by these.

 

Yes!!!!!! I am!!!!!!! From 1920 onward, continuous harrassment is too darn much!!!

 

First, besides religious reasons, what is Iran's interest in Palestinian land? Second, wouldn't surrounding a country with rockets over a period of a couple of decades be considered belligerent foreign policy? It would be like Italy funneling thousands of rocket batteries into the border regions between France and Belgium, and the Netherlands and Belgium. Throw in a Belgium Olympic team massacre, suicide bombs, and a few Belgian airliners blown up by again, organizations funded and orchestrated by the govt of Italy.

In the hypothetical scenario above, I would ask the same questions as I do with Iran. What business of it is Italy's on what happens with a group of people inside Belgium's borders? What business of it is Iran's, what is going on between the Palestinians and Israelis? Perhaps if Iran stopped trying to undermine Israel, peace could be reached.

Btw, I ignore anyone who has an opinion on the Israel/Palestine situation without considering the rockets and terrorists that Iran has sent to Israel.

 

That's a disgusting post, if my gov disagrees with the US of the terms of an agreement they are ungratful and backstabbing?

 

Your gov sucks, they are always looking for wars and military actions not for peaceful solutions ! your gov doesn't like what the US is doing bcuz it doesn't include military actions !