OK Atheists.......prove god doesn't exist

1) I did not claim your brain waves traveled to the moon - (not that I deny this - I would have to look it up) it was you that brought up the analogy but, since you seem to know - perhaps you could save me the trouble and tell me how far brain waves do travel ?

What is meaningless is you saying "something is meaningless" but not stating why.

No one asked you "if" you controlled your thoughts. The question related to how one got control over the electrical energy that is the thought.

Now you are being obtuse and misrepresenting. I was clear in my statement that I was speculating.

Oh ... OK you mean like me

 

clarifying that stage of my life:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Science
Any other questions?

 

Uh huh.

You failed to respond to...

 

The only logical stance of one does not believe in god, but does believe in science is agnosticism. Even Dr. Carl Sagen, a very renowned atheist said that while he didn't personally believe in god, he accepted the possibility of one existing, since there was not direct, observable evidence either way. He said that an atheist asserting the non-existence of god was just as ignorant as a theist asserting that a god does exist. He stated that science has proven that the universe could have been created without a god, because the natural forces that created the universe existed before the universe, but that this doesn't disprove some divine being existing outside the universe, who created, or directed natural forces to create the universe.

 

I'll make a deal with you. If you prove that never engaged in a homosexual act with a minor, I'll prove that God doesn't exist.

 

You have obviously taken a lot of things out of context. More likely you cut and pasted stuff from sites that "stretch" things.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...did-he-believe-part-1/?utm_term=.b1dec7adf347
To Stephen Jay Gould, Dec. 18, 1989, after a newspaper editorial referred to Sagan and Gould as “dogmatic” on the question of whether there is a God:

 

Proof God does not exist:
Pugs
Bad backs
Runny noses
Hairless cats
Disco
Tornadoes
Bee allergies
Childhood cancer
The Bermuda triangle
Big foot
Pugs
Hemorrhoids
Collection plates
Nuclear weapons
Homophobics
The AMC Pacer
Pugs
Male pattern balding
Female pattern balding
Republicans
All religious doctrines
Witches
Robots
Dinosaurs
Aluminum foil hats
The enormous wealth of the Vatican
Brains
Zombies
The plague
Threads that ask for proof God doesn't exist
Giant pumpkins
Poison ivy
Incontinence
Pugs
Flatulence
Unicorns
Flying spaghetti monsters
Pedophile priests
Pretty much anything anus related
Terry Smith
Jim bakker
Oral Roberts
Jimmy swaggart
Pat Robertson
Bob Larson
People who support televangelists
Bagpipes
And finally, pugs

 

It makes sense to leave open the mind for a possible "God". It also makes sense to understand that any version created by humans is not it.

 

So you are saying that the fact that there is no evidence of something indicates a probability that it doesn't...which, is absurd.

There is absolutely no evidence that sentient life exists on any planet circling the nearest 15 stars to Sol...but if you were to suggest to anyone with any intelligence that that is evidence there probable is no sentient life there, you would be laughed at.

Not so easy at all.

Give it another try.

 

I do not have to divert.

The assertions "There are no gods" "There is a god" "It is more likely that there are no gods than that there are" and "It is more likely that there is at least one god than that there are none"...

..ARE ALL BLIND GUESSES ABOUT THE REALITY.

 

You are showing no reasoning, Golem.

In any case, if you want to think that things that do exist (if they exist) are supernatural...think it.
I have no problem with that.

If you are going to insist that I think that also...you are going to lose.

 

The point is immaterial and is all I have implied, though it does seem to make you feel intellectually superior as you imply I am a 14th century person. You fail to see that I am merely stating there is more to the state of a human being than what rots in the grave. The elitist you seem to be is not near as "enlightened" as you seem to paint yourself.

 

In a March 1996 profile by Jim Dawson in the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, Sagan talked about his then-new book The Demon Haunted World and was asked about his personal spiritual views: "My view is that if there is no evidence for it, then forget about it," he said. "An agnostic is somebody who doesn't believe in something until there is evidence for it, so I'm agnostic."

I e-mailed the person who would know Sagan’s views better than anyone: Ann Druyan, Sagan’s widow. I specifically asked her about the quote in my 1996 story (“An atheist has to know a lot more than I know. An atheist is someone who knows there is no God”). Druyan responded:

“Carl meant exactly what he said. He used words with great care. He did not know if there was a god. It is my understanding that to be an atheist is to take the position that it is known that there is no god or equivalent. Carl was comfortable with the label ‘agnostic’ but not ‘atheist.'”

 

All I have ever alluded to is that my belief is based on faith. That offends the godless who want to pretend their non-belief is based on fact. You really haven't followed this thread have you? You said "I don't know what animals think" as an attempt to belittle me. Well I am doing my best to understand the "godless" who seem no different than the animals by what they profess.

 

Not for this discussion. It is faith based from both sides. That is the point.

 

Absolutely, Yabba.

Anyone asserting "yes" or "no" on the issue of the existence of gods...is making a faith based assertion. Essentially...the are asserting a guess about the issue.

 

Because I just made them up.

 

So you can prove that something you just invented...does not exist.

I doubt you can even do that**, but even if you could...where does that take us in the conversation at hand?

**Pink equine animals with a single horn jutting out from their forehead...that are not visible to human eyes...may exist no matter whether you made the example up or not.

 

If I just made it up in my imagination and I have zero evidence for its existence outside of my imagination, why would I even consider the option that it could exist?

Are you encouraging schizophrenia?

 

No...open mindedness.

But don't bother with it. You wouldn't understand it.

 

Open mindedness means acceptance of new evidence.

Are you prepared to present evidence of invisible pink unicorns?

 

Since the whole concept of gods is "created by humans", why does it "make sense to leave open the mind for a possible 'God'"?

Since the whole concept of psychicsnowflakes is "created by humans", why does it "make sense to leave open the mind for a possible 'PsychicSnowflake'"?

 

Though the term "God" and indeed the concept (all concepts and words) are obviously human created this discussion is taking place within the minds that created them.

 

In America of the 20th Century, atheists were the most despised group. It is not surprising that many people would publicly avoid the term.

 

What's your point?