OK....your DEAD....now what?

You have no answers to my previous post showing that your argument is based on circular reasoning. Therefore, in desperation you resort to lies hoping no one will notice.

Please show where I ever stated or implied that "awareness is possible without energy". In you response, please do not conflate the terms "energy" and "matter" as you have erroneously done in the past.

 

My beliefs on this are somewhat... disconnected from what most people believe.

I believe there is a second stage to life that begins after a physical body dies, and that's the point where the energy of ones body begins to roam. What happens during that period, or what we can even perceive during that period, is something I can't possibly begin to explain or understand.

 

I agree.....
and if I have learned anything from 27 years of studying NDE accounts.....
I would recommend DO NOT run away from the light in an attempt to hide
due to shame or guilt.........
face the guilt..... admit it......
and go to the light anyway......
Howard Storm was a mess...... but we all volunteered to come down here.....
we knew we would fail terribly......
but we are volunteers... and we are on a mission to learn......
our guilt and shame is something we must face.... to gain humility.... which is almost impossible to teach without us becoming ignorant and stupid..... as we all have been.....


http://www.near-death.com/science/research/pre-existence.html

Pre-Existence and the Near-Death Experience

 

No. Flesh and bone are matter.

My problem is that there doesn't seem to be any way of reducing consciousness to physics. What I'm seeing in this thread that bothers me is some odd conflation of "energy" with consciousness which is, at best, confused.

 

Well because of what I do they will make a big deal out of my eventual death and man after this last weekend and Mon-Today that big deal could have been really soon coming!!

But I am like a Cockroach I just can't be killed.

AA

 

Spare me you ignorant nonsense and name calling.

My premise was that thoughts do not exist without energy. The result of matter interacting with matter "is" energy.

Thoughts a form of energy. It is those thoughts that = awareness. Energy then became aware of itself - not matter.

 

What names have I called you?
Do you consider my showing you the dictionary definitions of "Matter" and "Energy" to be ignorant nonsense? I had to do that since you believe, erroneously, that it's OK to conflate the two.

No, your premise was...

You have no way to address the circular reasoning of you premise...

1. Energy becomes self-aware
2. Self-aware Energy creates matter (manifests itself into physical reality)
3. Some forms of Matter become Neurons
4. Neurons are required for self-awareness

And you cannot answer "How can energy be self-aware before it creates matter which becomes neurons which are required for self-awareness?"

So, you accuse me of name calling and try ducking and dodging. I'm not surprised.

 

Well....sort of.

Now that we have the U.S. Military and Google and Lockheed Martin and a plethora of other large U.S. Companies buying up newer Quantum Computers and Quantum Processors from D-Wave a Canadian Based Compamy with a HELL of a LOT of U.S. Military Black Funding we KNOW that one of the aspects of a Quantum Computer being able to calculate SO FAST is that it uses QUIBITS instead of BITS in the sense of Standard Computer assignments of a BIT being either assigned as a ZERO or a ONE thus Binary Code is a series of 0's and 1's.

However in a Quantum Computer we use a QUIBIT instead of a BIT as a QUIBIT can take on the assignment of being either a zero or one or BOTH OR NEITHER!!!

Now as I have posted in other threads Quantum Processors or Computers MUST BE ROBOTICALLY CONSTRUCTED and constructed in a CLEAN ROOM thus no bugs or dust etc....and NO HUMAN BEING OR ANIMAL WITH ANY ADVANCED SENSORY CAPABILITIES ABOVE....and this really has not been fully experimented with...so....if an animal and insects are animals an have eye's.....a COMMON HOUSEFLY getting into the clean room of a D-Wave Quantum Computer robotic assembly line by just OBSERVATION is enough to not ;;ow the Quantum Computers to work properly as they will not calculate in a QUANTUM MANNER that veing all Quantum Computers calculate and solve problems working in CONJUNCTION WITH EVERY INFINITE IN NUMBER EXISTING QUANTUM SYSTEMS IN THE MULTIVERSE well at the very least withing all of the existing infinite one's in our Baseline Reality Universal Grouping.

ANYWAYS......the Human Brain is a lot like this.

You will have to ask me to answer why for me to continue.

AA

The reason for this

 

Well....Energy IS Matter and Matter is Energy,

I could explain this to you in detail but I must first ask you how much you know about Quantum Mechanics?

AA

 

Thought as far as being Quanta only comes close when we can use a CT or MRI scan and watch thought patterns light up!!

But most likely Psyionic Energy is on the levels of Dark Matter and Dark Energy.....it is detectable and realized in a Multiversal System.

AA

 

I agree that there is no way of reducing consciousness to physics. I also agree that consciousness itself is very confusing.

We do not know for sure what consciousness is and we certainly do not know how it came to be. Perhaps a rock has consciousness on some level .. or a tree.

What is really weird is how this consciousness managed to control thoughts and how these controlled thoughts managed to direct energy - make your finger move or your head turn.

Where did consciousness learn that trick ? The manifestation of a thought into physical reality. You can think of a hand waving or your hand waving .. but this does not make your hand wave. Making your hand wave makes your hand wave.
Before your hand waves your conscious mind has to "will it" to happen.

The will then sets in motion a chain of events which involves the firing of neurons which sends electrical signals through your body and makes your hand move.

How did inanimate molecules manage to come together such that electrical interactions between these molecules created awareness ? Then, how did this awareness manage to gain control over these electrical interactions such that this awareness was able to exert control over these molecules.

Confusing is the right word !

 

Well the Virus which has DNA is not alive yet the Virus existed BEFORE LIFE.

Consciousness is simply a byproduct when Quantum Evolution arranges Atoms then Molecules via normal processes of our Universe ie Chemical Reaction and Stellar and Super Nova Fusion.

It is not a question of how but rather an inevitable event.

AA

 

1) you said I resort to lies = You are calling me a liar.
2) thinking a dictionary definition is useful given the topic is quite ignorant.

The reason I did not address this is because it is a big straw man- attributing statements to me that I did not make.

1) I did not say energy created matter - energy is a form of matter and they can transform back and forth at the sub atomic level. The term "creation" denotes something a little different .... regardless
2) I did not say energy was self aware prior to the creation of matter (although this is an interesting possibility)

My premise (for at least the 10th time now) is that at some point - some configuration of energy and matter - gained knowledge of it's existence.

You misunderstood what I meant by manfestation into physical reality means. This does not mean that awareness created matter. I explained what this means = (moving your finger) ... like 5 or 6 times now.

 

Good info. I did not realize the that quantum processors have to be robotically constructed but this makes sense. Very cool.

I tend to agree with you but, do go on. When I look up into the sky at night (when far away from the city lights), and consider that when we drill down into matter it too is mostly empty space, it seems to me that the universe looks like one big brain.

 

I would rather know where you got your information.

 

I suggest you read, and try to understand, the discussion before making silly comments.

 

Well, let's see. You wrote... (my emphasis)

Your statement regarding my belief that "awareness is possible without energy" was incorrect. Possibly you were just intentionally misstating my views (lying). Possibly you just innocently misunderstood what I wrote. I gave you an opportunity for correction. I wrote...

You never corrected yourself. Therefore, the only logical conclusion was that you intentionally lied. I have a right to point that out. That's not name calling.

 

You made many comments where you conflated energy and matter. I told you repeatedly this was incorrect. Since you didn't want to believe me, I felt it necessary to show you were misusing the terms.

mat·ter
ˈmadər/
noun
1.
physical substance in general, as distinct from mind and spirit; (in physics) that which occupies space and possesses rest mass, especially as distinct from energy.
"the structure and properties of matter"
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Given the topic, note especially the part I highlighted in red.

You can come up with and post any theory you want to. However, if you want to have any credibility, you cannot intentionally misuse words.

​

 

Here is what you said at the beginning of this discussion. It is the heart of your argument.

"1) I did not say energy created matter"
If not "create matter", what did you mean when you stated "manifest itself into physical reality"?

"energy is a form of matter and they can transform back and forth at the sub atomic level."
How does an atom of lead transform itself into energy?

Either you are woefully ignorant of the concept of mass–energy equivalence (), or you intentionally misrepresent it in furtherance of your theory (which you state as FACT).

 

Your Matter/Matter interaction claim - coupled with your - consciousness comes from neurons is saying as much.

These comments were made in response to my claim that conscious is the result of matter/energy interaction and that this consciousness was able to manifest itself into physical reality (control the matter/energy - by making your finger move).

The only way I could be wrong - and you right, is if you take energy out of the equation.

Don't blame me and call me a liar because you do not realize what follows logically from your claims.

 

How did energy gain awareness of its existence? Thought is not possible without neurons. Self-awareness is not possible without neurons.

In the absence of neurons, the universe could not think. How could it conceive the idea to create neurons to make itself self-aware?

 

If dictionaries were textbooks - then we would not need textbooks now would we.

Obviously we distinguish between matter and energy. This does not change the fact that at the sub atomic level .. this distinction goes away.

I have not misused words. I have adjusted the wording in fact to fit in with your definition.

You are being deliberately obtuse because you can not handle deal with the simple truth.

Some combination of matter and energy gained knowledge of it's own existence.

You cry "NO NO NO" - and insist that it was the matter. OK ... fine but this means you have taken energy out of the above equation.

Then you call me a liar for saying that you have taken energy out of the equation.

What is your problem ?

 

I have explained this to you numerous times. Energy (in the form of consciousness) was able to make matter move through force of will.
For example: through force of will - you can direct energy to make your finger move. This is not saying energy created matter.

The "Will" is not physical reality. The will however, can manifest into physical reality by altering physical reality.

I am not going to have this conversation with you again.

1) I did not say lead could transform itself into energy
2) Lead is not at the "sub-atomic level"
3) Matter is transformed into energy during "Fusion". That is where the energy shining on you right now from the Sun comes from.

First you ask me how matter can be transformed into energy. Then you call me woefully ignorant of which is the formula which tells you how much energy you get out when a given mass of matter is transformed into energy.

Holy carp this is getting dumb.

 

It is true that human awareness seems to be a function of energy and neurons(matter). This does not tell us how awareness happened to begin with (how matter managed to assemble into the structures (neurons)).

It tells us where awareness in humans seems to come from - not how these structures came to be in the first place and then how the interactions between this matter managed to generate awareness.

We do not know why or how matter managed to assemble the structures required for awareness to exist.

All we know is that at some point matter (through energy interactions within that matter) became aware of it's own existence.

 

I don't understand why you'd want to use the term "Psyionic Energy" in the establishment of a metaphysic. It's totally unquantifiable, and in no sense can it be easily defined as energy.