Oliver Stone’s film on Ukraine’s Maidan coup to be aired in Russia

Yes, in geography Tibet is a part of China depending on who you ask. Borders change, so I ask again: do you acknowledge any sort of right of self determination?

 

Ukraine needs the Crimean territory, but not the population of the Crimea.

It is a principle as reasoned Nazi Bandera and his thugs "banderovets" . You say so, as the Nazi Bandera. Therefore you are Naci "bandera" too.

(*)In his film Oliver Stone tells who is these Stepan Bandera and his thugs.
This is a film about you , Mister Thehumankind and about your Fuhrer Nazi Bandera.

PS
The Poles never forget Bandera and his thugs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia

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You are the first in the world, who said that Oliver Stone makes movies for "brainwashing."

Mr. zoom_copter66, you are the champion of the world.

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I have to make a correction here, I said Yatsenuk fought with the terrorists in Crimea when I meant the Wahabbi terrorists in Chechya.

 

Crimea is a part of Ukraine only because Ukraine wouldn't allow the people living there to vote on whether they wanted to be part of Ukraine or part of the Russian Federation at the time it seceded from the Soviet Union. Kiev didn't offer the people in Crimea the same rights of secession that Russia gave them.

 

Everyone who doesn't accept the narrative of the propaganda networks is considered brainwashed by some very stupid individuals. You have to add the EU to that list, instead of recognizing their failings some are now saying that Russia is paying the political opposition groups to destroy the EU. They also want to stop RT and Sputnik for giving people the news, rather than the spins and lies of networks such as CNN.

Boy did they get blasted by Donald Trump for feeding people lies.

 

Stone cares about filling his pockets with millions$$$$...he could care less for any russian, or anyone else...

 

I would of course if the effect is indeed self determination not to promote other country's agenda,
Yeah Tibet and China one strong country undermining the weak country a portrayal of how might and force could trample sovereignty and justice. Do we have to change borders because of warfare superiority or we should keep rights and sovereignty?.

I would agree if Crimea asks for independence without the Russian hue in it,
the presence of Russian armed forces and the annexation is a clear indication of encroachment and land grabbing from a sovereign state.

 

No I'm not,
It's like when Hitler invaded Stalingrad before and try to take a part of your land, you will see which side I'm in to.
Get out from Ukraine, Ukraine is not a Russian territory, plain and simple.

 

Okay Jean,
but I wish to ask did the Crimeans ask this before?
precisely after the collapse of the Soviet Union?

 

In fact they did. Not precisely to question to re-join Russia but still about Crimean autonomy. There were two referendums in 90's but they were not accepted by Kiev authorities (which came to no surprise).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_sovereignty_referendum,_1991

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_referendum,_1994

 

Okay, thanks for the info.
Then how about this decree after.


On 19 February 1954 the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union issued a decree transferring the Crimean Oblast from the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic to the Ukrainian SSR. According to the Soviet Constitution (article 1, the borders of a republic within the Soviet Union could not be re-drawn without the agreement of the republic in question. The transfer was approved by the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union; however, according to article 33 of the constitution, the Presidium did not have the authority to do so. The constitutional change (articles 22 and 23) to accommodate the transfer was made several days after the decree issued by the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet.[1][2]

The decree was first announced, on the front page of Pravda, on 27 February 1954.[3] The full text of the decree was:[4]


"Decree of the Presidium of the USSR Supreme Soviet transferring the Crimea Province from the Russian SFSR to the Ukrainian SSR.

Taking into account the integral character of the economy, the territorial proximity and the close economic and cultural ties between the Crimea Province and the Ukrainian SSR, the Presidium of the USSR Supreme Soviet decrees:
To approve the joint presentation of the Presidium of the Russian SFSR Supreme Soviet and the Presidium of the Ukrainian SSR Supreme Soviet on the transfer of the Crimea Province from the Russian SFSR to the Ukrainian SSR."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_transfer_of_Crimea

 

The decree was not after. It was well before.
Besides, it was issued by Kruschev which was, on my opinion, to put it mildly, not always quite reasonable. That was not expression of the will of Crimean people anyway.

 

Okay,
so officially/legally Crimea is really under Ukraine?

 

Cremea WAS under Ukraine. Untill overwhelming majority of Crimeans decided to join Russia on the referendum. Just like in Kosovo but with more respect to the law. There was not any referendum in Kosovo at all.

 

Do we have international arbitration like UN security council to oversee the legalities?

 

I believe that peoples right to self-determination is more important than all the legalities. Moreover after illegal coup in Kiev there was imminent danger of bloody events on the peninsular. Have you heard about trains full of west ukrainean nazis directed to Crimea? There was a choice between lives of thouthands of Crimeans on one hand and following procedures on the other hand. Just imagine that your parents lived in Crimea. What would be your choice then? I was born in Crimea and all my folks live there so the answer was absolutely clear to me.

 

No, legalities will strengthen claims,
if it is conforming with international laws then rights will be protected and defended.
remember KFOR in Kosovo?

 

You did not catch the main message of may last post. I am absolutely sure that the lives of ordinary Crimeans have higher priority over following procedures. There was a risk that the Donbass scenario would be implemented in Crimea with tens of thousand killed, millions moved etc. etc. Do you think it would have been more "correct" that way?

 

If you believe the western media version of how and why things happened in Ukraine by Nuland & Co, then you positively LOVE propaganda. If you believe the western version of what happened with MH17, then it appears you have a steady diet of propaganda.

Stone has a way with documentaries, and if it is possible to have a documentary with truthful 'propaganda', then that is what he supplies.

 

Stone is not saying anything more than what every well informed person knows... or at least should know. He's giving those who are less informed about the events his credibility ... which is nice. Too bad it didn't happen years ago, it might have saved thousands of lives.

It would be interesting to see if the documentary will get any publicity in the US, but even more important is if it will get any publicity in the EU? Considering how they are trying to ban RT and Sputnik for presenting factual accounts of what is going on in the world, it's doubtful. More than likely they'll continue the self destructive paths they have been following for centuries... which always end up in war.

 

Hmmm..interesting...so if you believe in the right of so called "self determination", the perhaps Russia should let Chechnya go, seems they have more in common with Iran than the Russ federation, even the Iranians consider Chechens to be their Muslim brothers, ohhh wait this is a selective process and muscovite Kremlin decides who is independent...this is bull crap statement!

 

Oliver stone could care less about those..less informed..what he cares about is making millions of $$$$ to stuff his pockets..I doubt he cares about the average russian...

 

I would let them go if they wanted to go. But no one asked me...

 

First of all you're wrong about the Chechnyans having anything in common with the Iranians since the Iranians are Shias not Sunnis. As for the Chechnyans, if they didn't want to remain with Russia they wouldn't have been giving their lives these past years to fight Russia's enemies in Ukraine and Syria.

The Chechnyans do so because they are grateful for what the Russian Federation and Vladimir Putin has given them, something you could never understand. Gratitude is not in Kiev's vocabulary. .. only hatred is.

The Chechnyans had two choices, either to remain with Russia and be free and prosperous, or do what Saudi Arabia, Washington and Turkey wanted, and that is to turn into a Wahabbi sharia state. If it was not so, the CIA would not have been embedded with the terrorists.