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Israel hadn't existed for near 2000 yrs. There was no reason for Britain to force the state in a region that was no longer there's.
Put the country in Britain.

 

And one time, we had a Sec of State that was Jewish.

 

YOu do realize the Hamas charter quotes some verses from the Koran that alludes to the previous ethnic cleansing? Way back when Israel supposedly sided with their enemies, and you can find the threats to the Romans in Gibbon's Decline and Fall and the Hadith, then supposedly the newly converted Islamic emperor persecuted the Jews.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 191:

..."In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful (This letter is) from Muhammad, the slave of Allah, and His Apostle, to Heraculius, the Ruler of the Byzantine. Peace be upon the followers of guidance. Now then, I invite you to Islam (i.e. surrender to Allah), embrace Islam and you will be safe; embrace Islam and Allah will bestow on you a double reward. But if you reject this invitation of Islam, you shall be responsible for misguiding the peasants (i.e. your nation). O people of the Scriptures! Come to a word common to you and us and you, that we worship. None but Allah, and that we associate nothing in worship with Him; and that none of us shall take others as Lords besides Allah. Then if they turn away, say: Bear witness that we are (they who have surrendered (unto Him)..(3.64)"... http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/...rces/texts/muslim/hadith/bukhari/052.sbt.html


"The return of Heraclius from Tauris to Constantinople was a perpetual triumph..." (p, 1550, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, by Edward Gibbon) {all quotes are straight out of my copy so there may be typos}

"The succeeding year was illustrated by the triumph of a very different kind, the restitution of the true cross to the holy sepulchre. Heraclius performed in person the pilgrimage of Jerusalem...Before the emperor presumed to thread the consecrated ground, he was instructed to strip himself of the diadem and the purple, the pomp and vanity of the world; but in the judgment of his clergy the persecution of the Jews was more easily reconciled with the precepts of the gospel." (P, 1551, ibid)

"When Heraclius returned in triumph from the Persian war, he entertained, at Emesa, one of the ambassadors of Mahomet, who invited the princes and nations of the earth to the profession of Islam. On this foundation the zeal of the Arabians has supposed the secret conversion of the Christian emperor;..." (p, 1760, ibid)

 

I thought you guys hated him? The Fundamental Baptist Madrassa's preacher with dandruff, when Cotter Pin was president, said he was the anti-Christ.

 

This is a poorly worded question in the context of the topic. Law - by definition - is forcing people to do/or not do certain things through threat of physical violence.

I am then forced to observe the laws of the land regardless of what they are.

A good question would relate to legitimacy of authority.

1) What is the legitimate authority of Gov't
2) Where does this authority come from ?

In this nation the legitimate authority of Gov't - legitimate purview of Gov't with respect to essential liberty - is protection from direct harm (murder, rape, theft and so on). Essential liberty ends where the nose of another begins.

So then - a question for you - Assuming you are not in favor of "Totalitarianism" - where Gov't has absolute power. What then should be the limits to the power of Gov't ? - and then answer on the basis on the founding principles. What are the limits to Gov't power ?

Jefferson answered this question this way: The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-- Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia, 1781-82

The Gov't is then to have no legitimate authority (of its own volition) to mess with essential liberty ... to make ANY law that messes with individual liberty.

To the second question (2). The authority of Gov't comes from "consent of the Governed - We the People" as opposed to "Divine Right/God" as was the case in the past. AKA - "Secularism"

These are then the founding principles (right, wrong or otherwise).

The Islamist hates the founding principles. The Islamist hates essential liberty and they hate the dreaded "Secularism" ... they want to force their religious beliefs - with respect to essential liberty - on others through physical violence (Law - Sharia Law)

 

How is that pertinent to Israel not existing for 2000 yrs?
Israel was gone before Islam ever existed.

 

Yes, law is a force.
Without laws, chaos ensues.

Gov't, in the USA gets the power from the people.
We give up our freedoms when we let the gov't put in laws like the Patriot Act.
We vote every 2 yrs. We can put out those politicians who take away freedoms if we deem the wrong.
If we don't vote them out, we are at fault.

 

you guys?
Someone living in your head?

 

Ignorance, by definition, is claiming Israel did not exist during the time period in question when MoHamMad named an entire chapter after them.

 

Sorry, forgot Peerot, forgot "Your people" is offensive to them NAACPs, or was it "guys" that is offensive, I am getting confused by the requirement in Congress to refer to the last speaker as "It."

 

Ignorance is trying to claim some religion 700 yrs after the fact had anything to do with Israel not being in existence.

And is more about hating on a religion one doesn't like.

 

You seem to be really really confused.
You people? Who is you people?
Dismissed.

 

Agree on the Patriot act - Act which makes it our "Patriotic Duty" to give up essential liberty.

The rest is way too simplistic and does not address legitimacy of authority of Gov't or the distinction between Republic vs Democracy.

Democracy vs. Republic. ... In a republic, a constitution or charter of rights protects certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away by the government, even if it has been elected by a majority of voters. In a "pure democracy," the majority is not restrained in this way and can impose its will on the minority.

I did not go into this in my post (as it was already long). The Gov't is not to have the power to make ANY law (of its own volition) messing with essential liberty. PERIOD.

IF - the Gov't wants to make law messing with essential liberty - THEN - it is supposed to appeal to a chance to the social contract - construct by which the people give authority to Gov't.

The bar for messing with essential liberty (inalienable rights) is not 50+1. It is not Simple Majority Mandate - as claimed by so many of our elected officials.

The bar is "overwhelming majority" ... at least 2/3rd's if not 75%. If some law does not have at least 2/3rds agreement of the public it is not legitimate.

The "Oh we can just vote them out" argument is flawed on the basis that the voters in general have no clue what the founding principles are .. or the Declaration which outlines the above principles and how a Gov't who violates those principles should be voted out.

Regardless - both Classical Liberalism and Republicanism refer to 50+1 or Simple Majority Mandate as "Tyranny of the Majority"

I would be happy if it were only this bad. We now have now descended into "Tyranny of the Minority"

 

Israel has existed since the first one was named Israel, until now. Asking in real time, MoHamMad's time, that the Children of Israel do something, is proof they (Israel) existed to them. They were Israel until they rejected MoHamMad, then they became Jews:

"111a. The Jews in Arabia sided with the enemies of Islåm in their endeavour to extirpate the new religion, and this notwithstanding their pact with the Muslims, but they were not successful in inflicting any serious harm upon the Muslims, and whenever they openly faced the Muslims they fled. As the concluding words show, the idolaters, who gave them secret promises of help, never came to their aid when they were in distress."

112a. Almost the same words, excluding the exception, occur in 2:61. The Jews had already been subjected to the greatest humiliation and disgrace before the appearance of the Prophet. But with the advent of Islåm they could better their condition either by accepting the covenant of Allåh, by which is meant the acceptance of Islåm, or by making a compact of security with such men as could give them protection. This remains true to this day." http://www.muslim.org/english-quran/index.htm

"Surat Al-Imran (III), verses 109-111 Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors." http://middleeast.about.com/od/palestinepalestinians/a/me080106b.htm

“[2.40] O children of Israel! call to mind My favor which I bestowed on you and be faithful to (your) covenant with Me, I will fulfill (My) covenant with you; and of Me, Me alone, should you be afraid.
[2.41] And believe in what I have revealed, verifying that which is with you, and be not the first to deny it, neither take a mean price in exchange for My communications; and Me, Me alone should you fear.
[2.42] And do not mix up the truth with the falsehood, nor hide the truth while you know (it).
[2.43] And keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and bow down with those who bow down.”
“[2.83] And when We made a covenant with the children of Israel: You shall not serve any but Allah and (you shall do) good to (your) parents, and to the near of kin and to the orphans and the needy, and you shall speak to men good words and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate. Then you turned back except a few of you and (now too) you turn aside.”

Volume 1, Book 2, Number 48:

One day while the Prophet was sitting in the company of some people, (The angel) Gabriel came and asked, "What is faith?" Allah's Apostle replied, 'Faith is to believe in Allah, His angels, (the) meeting with Him, His Apostles, and to believe in Resurrection." Then he further asked, "What is Islam?" Allah's Apostle replied, "To worship Allah Alone and none else, to offer prayers perfectly to pay the compulsory charity (Zakat) and to observe fasts during the month of Ramadan."

If the religion demands a tax, is a government, we have every right to hate it under the rights of man.

 

I think Democrats should run on this in 2020!

 

I can show maps over time and show, Israel did not exist for near 2000 yrs.

 

D's can run on whatever they want. So can R's. Makes no never mind to me.

 

That and (according to the RW) the certainty of Sharia Law.

Sounds like a plan.

 

Israel is NOT a geographic location. Israel was also not a geographic location when MoHamMad referred to them, but they (Israel) were told to convert to Islam or lose their land (covenant), as anyone can clearly see in the relevant verses... Israel was subsequently ethnically cleansed by MoHamMad and Islam from their land (covenant).

Payback is a bitch!

 

Then I'd say it's passing strange that Israel is doing such a miserable job of ethnically cleansing its own Knesset. Wouldn't you?

 

Laws imposed by federal judges overrule laws made by the people

And if the unelected lib judges say children have a constitutional right to have sex with anyone they want then the age of consent laws become null and void

 

The brits did not give the Holy Land back to the Jews

The UN partitioned and OFFERED a peaceful two-state solution that the arabs rejected and the Jews accepted

 

Offered? LOL.
Again, they could've put in in Britain. They fostered this debacle.

 

The brits did not create the modern state of Israel

The UN did

 

Then NO WONDER Pelosi appointed her to the House Foreign Relations Committee!