On poverty

You made that up.

You made that up, too.

Which is what markets do.

Rich, greedy, privileged, evil parasites could assassinate reformers who try to implement institutions that support liberty, justice and prosperity.

Consistently making baldly false claims about what I have written in clear, grammatical English is neither a question nor an attempt at discussion.

 

IOW, you have been comprehensively and conclusively demolished with facts and logic, you know it, and you have no answers. Simple.

 

What in hell does 'living in a flat' have to do with it? In my city, a two bed urban flat will set you back $1mil, but if you drive a couple of hours out of town you can buy a three bed house on ten acres for half that. I realise you're desperate to make me 'wrong', but this is an embarrassing reach, Dear.

Where did I say anything about 'working on marriage'? I didn't. All I did was state the tips for divorce avoidance. IE choosing your partner carefully, and making sure you're worthy of the result of that choice. If you have a personal problem with that blazingly logical piece of common sense, you need to take it up with yourself. Reality doesn't generally give a crap, and will visit the misery of a poor choice regardless.

PS If you can find a flaw in the logic of careful choice + earning that careful choice = far greater likelihood of staying married, then you live in a different universe.

 

Is this a joke, BIO? You realise that those are bog standard 'requirements' for a huge proportion of humanity, dontcha?

Your outlook is so severely limited by Western-centrism, that any kind of conversation about these considerably larger issues are virtually pointless.

 

If it is, you are making it.

I realize that they are no such thing. Almost no one in any country can tick all your boxes.

You innocence of the relevant social science and psychometric research is touching, bless your heart.

 

If you want. If not, get off the treadmill and take your chances in the world of the loafer/spender.

I realise you think First Worlders should never have to do anything icky, so special and entitled as you believe us, but you're not doing yourself any favours by continually voicing your horror at the idea that anything in life might be difficult.

 

Once again, those are NORMAL parameters for many many people. To be responsible, self-respecting, free from addiction, etc .. is NOT an achievement, it's bare ****ing minimum.

 

Again you categorically refuse to question why people are divided between productive contributors on the treadmill and the real loafers -- the privileged -- on the escalator it powers, rather than everyone being on an equal staircase where each will rise or fall commensurately with their own choices and efforts.

Unrelated to anything I have said or implied. Inevitably.

 

Maybe on Planet Zondo, where you live. Here on earth, things are a little different, and people are imperfect.

 

It's TOTALLY related. You are virulently opposed to the idea that the richest, fattest, laziest people on earth might have to forgo their comfort and ease to empower themselves.

This tells me you don't want people empowered, which fits in with your aiding and abetting of the aforementioned double whopper oligarchy. Either that, or you're just incredibly entitled.

 

Let me try this another way ... but inclusive of repeats. Those are BARE MINIMUMS in a huge percentage of humanity.

It doesn't imply perfection at all, it merely describes the foundation. Improvements are carried out upon that foundation.

You can't really be this naive, this insular, this Western-centric, BIO. I refuse to believe it - you're too smart, and too much of a thinker, to have failed utterly to measure your assumptions against the bigger picture.

 

Indeed.

 

Oh yes everyone should do that. Definitely wouldn't cause any issues.

Oh apologies.
Everyone who ended up divorced didn't do enough research before getting married. Such sage advice.
I mean we all know that people don't change as they age, people don't fall in love young and that love doesn't cloud judgement.
Well obviously not for a perfect person like you, the rest of us just have to muddle along.
Luckily because most of us are not robots we understand these mistakes and look after each other.

 

Because you made it up out of whole cloth.

 

No they aren't. If you asked any actual people in poor countries to name a person -- especially a man -- they know personally who ticks all your boxes, it is unlikely that they would be able to name a single one. And definitely not a single single one.

It describes a ludicrously lofty ideal.

I am not making assumptions, just respecting the social science and psychometrics research of which you are self-evidently innocent.

 

No, I am the one who identifies -- and you are one of the many who deny, ignore and obscure -- the fact that they have been forcibly stripped of their liberty to empower themselves, by law, and consigned to the treadmill that powers the escalator the privileged ride up at their leisure.

This tells me you don't want people empowered, which fits in with your aiding and abetting of the privileged, escalator-riding oligarchy. Either that, or you're just incredibly disingenuous.

 

The amusement from the incredibly flawed premise of your statements is causing me to actually laugh.

You did intend humor, didn't you?

 

Feel free to correct me. But last we spoke that was exactly your desire.

 

Whatever you wish to believe,,,

 

I did.

No it wasn't. You simply made it up. That is why you have provided no quote to that effect, and will never be doing so.

 

There is no flawed premise in what I wrote. It is an indisputable fact.

No. Unless you think the murder of 12-15M people per year is funny.

 

Oh good you do want people to own property and land. I'm glad I'm wrong.

 

You are definitely wrong because I want people to own rightful property in the fruits of their labor. As land is not the fruit of anyone's labor, it cannot rightly be anyone's property any more than the oceans, the sun, the moon, the earth's atmosphere, or the number 53.

 

All I can say, if you genuinely consider that basic foundation 'lofty', is that I'm sorry for you. Sorry you've led such a sheltered life, filled with apparently very dodgy people.

Again, being generally responsible etc is absolutely the norm in vast swathes of humanity. We (the First World West) are one of the few societies in which large numbers have abandoned that basic foundation in favour of hedonism. There have been others, but they all fell ... just as we will.

 

You're making zero sense now. Just lashing out like an angry child.