One Legacy of Merkel? Angry East German Men Fueling the Far Right

My ancestors were immigrants. They left England in the 1630's during the Great Migration so I do tend to sympathize with immigrants. Just as white Europeans changed the face of North America where Indians once dominated, America once again will be changed with immigrants from non-white countries. Change is inevitable. We live on a dynamic planet where the populations of the planet are dynamic as well. You can fight the change for a while, but it will be like pushing the ocean back from the beach. You know war is coming if AdF is going to stop the flow of immigrants. White America is facing the very same dilemma.

 

Sure it would. But you can poop in one hand and wish in the other and see which one you get. Without jobs even good people turn to crime to feed their families. How do you purpose those countries create jobs when the global competition is getting tougher?

 

The number one reason mentioned in the article was due to lack of jobs in East Germany. Women are moving west to find jobs which is creating more frustration with eastern men.

 

Its not a dilemma. It would be the collapse of human civilisation.

We have the technology to save not just us but free the planet.

CRISP/CAS can produce virus that only attack certain haplogroups. Obsolete surplus populations can be reduced to reasonable numbers.

Peter Scholl-Latour said a wise sentence. You dont save Kalkutta when you allow half of Kalkutta in. You become Kalkutta.

 

The article is absolute bullshit. We already cleared that

 

The article is bullshit. I know not one east german man without a girl or wife.

Those articles followed certain agendas. First AfD was ignored. Then the voters called losers (wich is an article of this kind). Now that AfD rise even more we are portrayed as elitists.

This is a war between the liberal left and the conservative right. The liberal left is losing and starts smear campaigns.

 

Don't be funny... You can't even analyze how the order is challenged. I doubt you are even aware of it being challenged anyways.

 

How about adopting the US Constitution and Bill of Rights? How can you expect investment in these countries where, despite labor being cheap, corruption in the laws and legal system is rampant?

Cheap labor is not the only conducive to jobs and investment. Culture is probably the largest determining factor.

 

You cant change genetics.

 

Have you chosen sides yet?

 

It's not genetics. I just returned to Central America yesterday and these people are, for the most part, very hard working and honest and, with proper training and education, are as smart as anyone. But parts of the culture, which I enjoy in many ways, are doing the people a great harm. I invested here 25 years ago and understand this part of the world quite well. You raise any child in this sort of environment, apart from the wealthy. and the results will be very similar.

 

I think that is exactly how he wants the world to see Germany. Taking a firm stand that this is their homeland and they will not tolerate being overrun with an outside culture will act as an incentive for migrants to find a more hospitable place to settle. Massive migration is very disruptive to a society, and if there is no benefit to the host society, then there is no reason to have migration.

I suppose going the Hitler route was inevitable in a conversation about German nationalism.
As for why Hitler reached beyond Germany's borders, it was probably because of WWI treaty conditions designed to punish Germany. It was stated at the time that the treaty was not an end to hostility, but a 20 year armistice.
Also, at the very beginning of the war wasn't he trying to reclaim lost German territory that still contained a lot of ethnic Germans? I'm going from memory here, but if that is the case you could say that he was still defending ethnic Germans through his initial aggression.

I am always wary of these claims about the US being founded as a multicultural society. We are extremely British at our foundation. The founding fathers wrote the constitution in 1 language. They used British common law and enlightenment thinkers as inspiration. We had immigrants from various parts of Europe, but they all learned English and became generic "white". Our immigration acts spelled out that only white people could become citizens of the US until 1965. So while it was multicultural in some sense, it was not multicultural in any modern usage of the word.
It is also worth noting that the US did not have any social safety net programs and many immigrants had to return home if they could not make it here. This weeding out process gave us access to much better immigrants and people the host nation actually wants and benefits from.

I think many Germans, like many Americans, are upset by several compounding factors, not just some isolated factor like mindless xenophobia. They are being visibly displaced in their own cities by outside groups with very different values. Crime and other undesirable effects like the drain on the social welfare system, increase around them while the media tells them it is a myth. They are told that every culture is beautiful and important, except their own. If they do not like the new state of affairs and the direction their society is heading due to these immigrants, they are labeled racist so that their opinions can be discarded without consideration. I think this is a larger subset of the population than a lot of people are willing to admit right now, but ignoring it or trying to silence or even minimize it is only going to cause it to grow at this point. Until their concerns are considered legitimate and equal to the concerns of the pro-immigration side, they are going to feel justifiably slighted and thus less willing to negotiate away from a hardline stance.

 

Without security no business will want to invest in those countries.

 

I'm sure you have an answer for this quote from Sobo. Sounds a lot like Hitler's final solution.

 

What side are you on?

 

You have a better solution? Africa is a ticking time bomb, capable to destroy humanity as we know it. Nigeria alone is expected to have one billion citizens within next 40 years. Africas population grows each year by 200.000.000. The continent already depends on aid.

 

Most right wing conservatives I know are also Christians.

 

After everything I said, you quoted someone else and asked me to defend that... How is that a response to anything I said?
Since that quote has no context or meaning to me, I'm not sure what sort of commentary you want. It is a true statement. That technology does exist.

 

You remember saying this? This is what I responded to. You still want to talk about German nationalism?

"I suppose going the Hitler route was inevitable in a conversation about German nationalism."

 

And if they did, what then? What's the proper response? Respect their decision or send the 82nd Airborne?

 

Sure we can talk about German nationalism, but I don't know for sure what the rest of this is about. You quoted another person and asked me to answer for it. I don't know why that happened exactly.

My comment about Hitler was about Godwin's law. Someone bringing up German and nationalism in the same sentence is begging for the other person to say something about Hitler, which you did.

So what about nationalism or Germanity is the problem specifically?

 

There is security in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. Or are you referring to proper policing? That's only a part of the corruption problem, and there is no overnight cure.

Are here better ideas about what to do with these countries and the human suffering and instability it involves? The idea is to try and solve the problem at its source.

 

Can't answer the question, huh?

 

Contrived nonsense. Far right nationalism is poisoning the entire globe right now.

 

So was Queen Isabella la Catholica from Spain, who cleansed spain and was declared a saint from the church.