One of the stupid things liberals believe: Racism

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  1. toddwv

    toddwv Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Affirmative Action does not constitute quotas.

    Americans of Asian heritage constitute 40% of the enrollment at top colleges even though they represent around 5% of the US population.

    Khin Mai Aung the Director (in 2012) of the educational equity program at the Asian American Legal Defense and Education Fund stated rather clearly that the whole AA working against Asian American interests is simply a wedge issued pushed by opponents of AA and doesn't have any factual basis when one considers the entire spectrum of "Asian."



    Asian-American Quotas Are Imaginary; Need for Diversity Is Real

    It has long been illegal for universities to impose quotas or ceilings on enrollment of any racial group. Affirmative action, as it currently exists in the United States, simply allows admissions officers to consider an applicant’s racial background in a limited way as one of a myriad of factors that make up who he or she is. It neither condones nor facilitates racial discrimination and quotas.

    Far from harming Asian-Americans, the consideration of diversity in admissions advances equal opportunity for many Asian-American applicants who continue to face educational barriers. Southeast Asians like Vietnamese, Cambodians and Laotians, most of whom came to the U.S. as refugees, have significantly lower educational attainment and higher poverty rates than many other Asian and non-Asian ethnic groups. Without the consideration of diversity, many of these students would be denied an equal opportunity for higher education.

    Moreover, the benefits of diversity extend beyond any particular racial groups or subgroups. Diversity consideration in admissions enables universities to select the very best candidates for their campuses by taking into account all of an applicant’s characteristics. It allows universities to create the most effective learning environment for giving each student the tools to succeed in our global and multicultural economy. As the Supreme Court considers the future of affirmative action in Fisher v. University of Texas at Austin, all Americans, including Asian-Americans, cannot lose sight of how much we gain from diversity.


    The Asian community in the US is quite diverse and, of course, isn't represented by one voice, but the fact that Asians identify with the Democratic Party more so than the Republican Party is pretty good evidence that the potential negative effects of AA are nothing more than a ploy by the right.
     
  2. ryobi

    ryobi Well-Known Member

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    So, you believe people should not be judged based on the color of their skin and you also believe people should be judged based on the color of their skin?
     
  3. ryobi

    ryobi Well-Known Member

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    So, you disagree with Martin Luther King JR. You believe people should be judged based on the color of their skin.
     
  4. ryobi

    ryobi Well-Known Member

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    Two more different "equations" that describe the same phenomenon

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  5. ryobi

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    Equation #2

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  6. rayznack

    rayznack Well-Known Member

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    That doesn't answer my question.

    How does affirmative action 'redress' 'grievances' when Asians are discriminated over whites at many universities?

     
  7. Object227

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    No he didn't. He was actually correct. You cannot be both anti-discrimination and pro-discrimination at the same time. That's all he was saying. What's the problem here?
     
  8. ryobi

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    You're right. I do have a 'bias' because as an Egalitarian, I believe discrimination is wrong regardless of race and/or gender.

    And as a Democrat you also have a bias. As a democrat, you believe that discrimination is OK as long as the race doing the discrimination is 'fashionable' and the race being discriminated against isn't 'fashionable'-right???
     
  9. Pax Aeon

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    The analogy of using something MLK said with "affirmative action" fails. Apples and oranges. If your study uses the same logic this post does, I'll pass.

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    Whatever you say.
     
  10. ryobi

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    Since you are a Democrat, I don't expect you to read anything that does not support your racist sexist beliefs.
     
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    I'm a democrat????? Get lost.
     
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    Ah yes, the old myth of racism. The stuff unicorns are made of.
     
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    And there you go. Give them enough rope and they hang themselves every time.
    Love your ears, maybe, you should start using them.
     
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    We whites have tried to get rid of racism and black people have thrown it back in our faces so. no I think I won't bother until I see a solid move from black people
     
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    That's an excuse, not a reason. No move from black people is going to stop you being racist.
     
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    That is not what he said, he was referring to his own efforts in getting rid of racism, and he will not continue / bother trying to get rid of racism, until certain people make a positive effort to assist in the process of getting rid of racism.
     
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    You sound like you are campaigning to minority voters not to trust conservatives. We are keeping the racism until you do a better job of appreciating our efforts to stop being evil at you!
     
  18. ryobi

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    Hi Dracula
     
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    Trying to make the argument that racism 'doesn't exist' over skin color is ludicrous.

    Race is more than genetics. A woman who is technically only 16% black is still free to identify that way. There isn't some cut off point after which your black card gets taken away.

    Race is so much more than skin color. because of its history in the United States. For example, African-Americans in the U.S. have their own culture, music, and literary traditions. People of a particular race aren't connected through the color of their skin - in fact, there is diversity in skin color throughout many ethnic communities in the U.S. What connects them is their respective histories. Race may be social construct, but that doesn't suddenly render it invalid, and it doesn't reduce it to ay of its physical characteristics.

    If race were just about color, applicants with 'white' sounding names would not be 50% more likely to get an interview than those with stereotypically black names. Black college grads would not have a 12.4 percent unemployment rate, double the rate for all college grads. Racism would be based on skin color alone, instead of preconceived notions about the abilities and worth of people from minority backgrounds. If race were about skin color, would racism exist?

    Race is not the same thing as having blue eyes, red hair, or perfect teeth. Each race has its own history, culture, and values, none of which can be reduced to the color of a persons skin.
     
  20. ryobi

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    OK, so you're saying you disagree with Martin Luther King Jr. You believe people should be judged based on the color of their skin, rather than on the content of their character.
     

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