Operation Northwoods Proves That Cuba Was The Target To Be Blamed

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  1. resisting arrest

    resisting arrest Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In Operation Northwoods the military was planning to commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and then manufacture/fabricate the evidence to pin the blame on Cuba.
    They even planned to kill U.S. troops in the high seas and then blame Castro. They even planned that should John Glenn were to suffer an accident as he ascended into orbit in his capsule The Friendship 7 that Cuba were to be blamed and evidence manufactured to implicate Castro.

    Operation Northwoods was the precursor of the Kennedy assassination in that Cuba was to be the scapegoat to prepare the American public to invade and overthrow Castro. Oswald was framed so that it would appear that Castro planned the Kennedy assassination. It's the same old trick: Blame it on a communist.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sG9TaziF_Q
     
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    So they blamed Oswald so that Castro would get the blame and they could justify an invasion of Cuba?

    But in reality they JUST blamed Oswald and never overthrew Castro. Gee what could go wrong?

    What you are asserting is devoid of any logic or sense they meant to blame Oswald and DID but somehow couldn't connect Castro. Once again not a shred of evidence to support such a loopy idea.

    Somehow they were able to pull off an incredible act of assassination without leaving evidence of a conspiracy yet did not figure out how to blame Castro which was their goal. Ask yourself if it would have not made more sense to simply have a Cuban kill Kennedy.

    This is why your conspiracy theories are delusional nonsense which fail every test of logic and reason.

    BTW Northwoods was never a plan it was an idea which was proposed and rejected
     
  3. Lesh

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    There was also a plan in place to cover up any assassination. It involved the FBI and numerous other government agencies.

    I forget the name of it right now and it was not as "malignant" as it sounds. Nor as crazy.

    It was meant to prevent a nuclear war should Cuba or the USSR do something crazy.

    In fact Lamar Hunt in Ultimate Sacrifice goes into detail saying that very likely Bobby Kennedy was a big part of implementing it for the above mentioned reasons and that the actual perpetrators tried to make it appear as those Cuba was involved in order to trigger this cover up.

    That makes the 'botched autopsy" much more understandable as well as a lot of other investigatory things that seem so unbelievably botched for something as earth shaking as this.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    The autopsy was not botched and the rest of your story is complete fiction.

    Nice but unsupported by a shred of evidence.

    It is as plausible as Jackie Kennedy shooting her husband in the limo as some have theorized.
     
  5. Lesh

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    Obviuosly you never read anything about the autopsy.

    It was done by unqualified people and was directed by secret service agents. The original notes in fact were burned.
     
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    Actually I know far more about it than you do and everything you just stated is myth.

    The pathologists who performed it were in fact highly qualified and experienced.

    They ran the autopsy without any control from anyone else including the secret service.

    One of the doctors burned his personal notes not all of the original notes and the autopsy was in fact spot on in it's conclusions.

    You have clearly learned of this case by watching the movie JFK as everything I have posted is fact which proves that the movie was blatant fiction.

    Try reading rather than learning by watching movies and TV
     
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    Most of what you posted is BS.

    The people who did the autopsy had not done one in years.

    And oh by the way.

    Where are the original notes and Kennedy's BRAIN?
     
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    Yes they had in fact done autopsies routinely for years you are simply wrong and that is documented fact. I know you learned that from a fictional movie but it is not an accurate portrayal it is hollywood fiction.

    Which notes taken by who are you referring to.

    The ultimate fate of Kennedy's brain is not known but is also irrelevant. It was last known to be in the possession of Robert kennedy who likely destroyed it. Which changes nothing
     
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    On 24th May, 1996, Finck provided a deposition to the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB). During his interview he could not explain what happened to the notes he made during the autopsy of John F. Kennedy. He also admitted that he did not carry out other procedures that were standard in autopsies such as recording the measurements in writing during the autopsy or removing and weighing the organs damaged by the bullets entering the body. Nor did he examine the clothing Kennedy was wearing. Finck also admitted that he did not speak with the doctors who had treated Kennedy in Dallas?

    Finck's testimony conflicted with that of Joseph Humes and Thornton Boswell. As one newspaper pointed out: "Two doctors, J. Thornton Boswell and James Humes, told the review board that the brain exam occurred two or three days after Kennedy's death. Initially, Humes told the Warren Commission that he, Boswell and a third pathologist, Dr. Pierre Finck, were present when the brain was examined. But when he testified to the review board in 1996, Humes did not list Finck among those present. Boswell maintains Finck was not there. On the other hand, Finck says the brain exam did not occur until much later."

    The conflicting testimony caused Douglas Horne, chief analyst for military records, to conclude in a 32-page memo that two separate brain exams may have been conducted, "contrary to the official record as it has been presented to the American people... If true, Dr. Finck's account of a brain exam separate and distinct from the first one would mean that Drs. Humes and Boswell were present at two different brain exams".

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    You say there are original notes?

    You admit that those from at least one doctor were burned. That alone is extremely unusual (especially in a case like this) and yet yu blow it off. Well produce those other original notes then.

    And you blow off the fact that Kennedy's brain went missing?

    Are you KIDDING?
     
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    No I am not kidding the brain was measured and examined.

    The fact that RFK was the last to possess it makes it irrelevant. Unless you are claiming RFK himself was part of some conspiracy to kill his own brother which is absurd.

    I am saying what I said all along one doctor burned his personal notes which does not mean all of the notes and yes some are in evidence found in the warren commission and other sources.

    Speaking to the doctors at the emergency room is not common at all. Saying that some procedures are common does not mean they are necessary and in fact no evidence exists which contradicts the findings of the autopsy.

    Maybe you should try presenting some evidence that someone other than OSwald acted alone.

    But since you have none all you can do is grasp at straws to fail in an attempt to attack the real evidence
     
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    I guess you missed my first post on the subject.

    The cover up was not done by the perpetrators but rather by well meaning government officials interested in avoiding a nuclear war if this was tied to Cuba or Russia.

    Yes, Bobby as Attorney General was involved in it. He was not involved in the assasination.

    When the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) was created in the 1990s, its purpose was not to reinvestigate the Kennedy assassination, but rather to declassify the innumerable documents and materials tightly held by the U.S. Government.

    However, there were so many puzzles in the JFK medical evidence paperwork that the ARRB decided to conduct a series of interviews in an attempt to "clarify the federal record on the medical and ballistics evidence." The resulting interviews, while rarely reported in mainstream news sources, contained astounding revelations and allegations, among them:
    Saundra Kay Spencer, who developed JFK autopsy photos on the weekend after the assassination, was shown the complete set of official autopsy photos. She testified that they were not the ones she developed (listen to excerpt - excerpt transcript).
    Autopsy photographer John Stringer disputed the authenticity of the photos of JFK's brain, leading a senior ARRB staffer to theorize that there had been a deception involving two brain exams of different specimens (listen to excerpt - excerpt transcript).
    FBI agent and autopsy witness Frank O'Neill was shown autopsy photos of the back of JFK's head, and said "This looks like it's been doctored." He was one of several witnesses who told the ARRB that there had been a large rear head wound. He also disputed the photos of the brain, saying "it appears to be too much" (listen to excerpt - excerpt transcript).
    Lead autopsy prosector James Humes told the ARRB that he had destroyed both original notes AND the first draft of the autopsy report.
    Autopsy doctor J. Thorton Boswell said the Justice Department had sent him to New Orleans in an attempt to undo damage caused by Pierre Finck at the trial of Clay Shaw.
    Other in-person interviews and phone contacts with other witnesses generated similarly disturbing tales. Leonard Saslaw told the ARRB that autopsy doctor Pierre Finck complained that his notes had disappeared. Navy corpsman Dennis David said he had handled bullet fragments removed from Kennedy during the autopsy which were far larger than those in evidence now.
     
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    How do you , with a straight face, say that the autopsy wasn't botched when the notes from TWO of the three physician are missing and the brain is missing?
     
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    Once again do you have evidence someone other than Oswald shot Kennedy?

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    Because neither of those facts disputes the findings of the autopsy.
     
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    And then there's the fact that the bullet wound in Kennedy's back was noted as being too low to have accommodated the single bullet theory.

    If they were accurate...that bullet could have never hit Connolly

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    Shifting the goal posts?

    We're talking about a cover up and an autopsy.
     
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    No that is false the bullet wound was not two low and the track was examined and proven that it entered from above and behind.

    The reason so many conspiracy theorists go there with the bullet in the back is they ignore the general flexibility and posture of the human body.

    The only way it was too low is IF Kennedy were sitting ramrod straight and erect which he was not. His slumped position place the entrance wound exactly where it should be.

    It is you shifting them. We are talking about someone other than Oswald shooting kennedy. the evidence proves he did and he acted alone you have epically failed to provide a shred of evidence proving otherwise.
     
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    For someone who claims to know so much you seem to be missing the factthat the autopsy you claimed wasn't botched...noted a bullet entrence far too low in Kennedy's back to have been the single bullt that also struck Connolly.

    The WC subsequently MOVED the entrance hole about five inches higher.

    So which one is bogus...the WC or the autopsy.

    They say completely different things.
     
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    All I'm saying now is that the autopsy was botched and fraudulent.

    I'm also saying that it was a "benign cover-up" and nothing to do with the actual assassination. It was done by various agencies in the government (including Bobby Kennedy) to prevent a rush to war because the perpetrators had intentionally "left evidence" (like Oswald's supposed trip to Mexico City) that would point to Cuba.

    So any "evidence' you garner from the autopsy is not worth a hell of a lot.

    And where are those notes and that brain?
     
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    No I addressed this.

    The entrance wound was not to low that myth has long since been proven false.

    The autopsy and the Wc were both quite accurate..

    They say the same things with only trivial and insignificant differences.

    The autopsy proves the bullets came from above and behind.

    The other evidence gathered by the WC confirms this

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    And you have failed miserably to prove it was botched it was not in fact.
     
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    The autopsy and the Wc were both quite accurate..

    They say the same things with only trivial and insignificant differences.


    The differences were far from trivial and if the autopsy was correct, there was no Magic Bullet.

    So which is it?

    They can't bother be right with a FIVE inch difference in the entry wound
     
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    The differences were entirely trivial.

    There never was a magic bullet.

    The WC did not change anything 5 inches they supported the autopsy but merely clarified the description of the entrance without moving it
     
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    Completely wrong. Every section of the vertebrae has a specific medical name. The autopsy noted a completely different section (by name) that was 5 inches lower than the section described by the WC in order to make their Magic Bullet Theory workable.

    That's not a clarification. That's a distinct DIFFERENCE...of about 5 inches...which completely changes the trajectory of the bullet.
     
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    Wrong the bullet did not hit a vertebrae and neither. The WC nor autopsy claimed it did. Both agreed that it hit near the same vertebrae it is the precise name or the area of the back which they differed on.

    This is an insignificant difference
     
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    The signed autopsy sheet, including the placement and description of the back wound, was verified by Admiral George Gregory Burkley, personal physician to the president who directed the autopsy at Bathesda. Burkley filled out and signed John F. Kennedy's official death certificate on November 23rd, 1963. He verified the location of the back wound and signed the Kennedy autopsy sheet at Bethesda on November 24th. That death certificate revealed the back wound to be, in the Admiral's own words, at the president's "third thoracic vertebra." The neck has seven CERVICAL vertebrae, and this observed and verified wound was described as three THORACIC vertebrae lower than the neck itself. A wound in the back, exactly where the official autopsy sheet and the coat and shirt placed it. Warren Commissioner Gerald Ford was one of the key people responsible for misleading the U.S. public about the facts of the JFK assassination

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    For reference

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_vertebral_column
     
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    The coat and shirt are irrelevant because the holes in those garments will not typically line up with the wounds after the body has been moved.

    This is for the simple reasons that clothing is not glued to the body. When people sit in a chair and lean back the material tends to bunch up above the back of the seat. So once his body was moved they did not line up.

    The WC never moved it to a different vertabrae
     
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    The coat are shirt are irrelevant.

    But vertebrae don't bunch up my friend. And there's a big difference between a wound in the third thoracic vert (in the back) and one in the lower neck. 5 inches.

    The WC claimed it was in his NECK in order to line up the shot the way they wanted. And they also had to move Connolly to the middle of the car and turn him half way around.
     

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