Opinion: What to do with Dreamers?

If they violated America's sovereignty and crossed the border by avoiding a legal port of entry that is a criminal offense, crime # 1.

What happens when an American citizen avoids a port of entry and illegally crosses the border into Americas and gets caught ? He is prosecuted and sent to prison.

Using someone else SS# to get a job is identity theft a felony.

Unlawfully working in America without authorization is a crime.

Not filing individual income taxes is a felony.
No excuse for that crime, even an illegal alien can apply for a tax ID number.

Any illegal alien male who didn't register for the draft with the Selective Service System while on American soil between the ages of 18 to 25 committed a federal crime.

Even illegal aliens are required to obey America's laws and register for the draft.

 

For the "dreamers". Send them, with their illegal parents back to their nation of origin. Completely overhaul the quota system, and allow them to go through the legal process of asking to be admitted. Make the quotas competitive, and productive to our nation, just like everyone else.

 

What about the millions who are obeying the law right now and are playing by the rules and are waiting eight to ten years in their home countries to be issued an immigration visa ?

Why should those who broke the law move up to the front of the line ?

Why were our ancestors required to obey America's immigration laws and one group isn't required to obey our immigration laws ?

 

It has worked in the past, why not today ?

 

My post had nothing to do with condoning ICE. The point was about selective enforcement of the Law on the basis of political bias.

Speaking of "quick on the uptake"

 

I was homeschooled.

Anyway I took the test in your link and got 10 out of 10. Though some of it was due to random chance.

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Anyway it was mostly unimportant knowledge. It's just trivia. It's history, not politics or has any implications for the issues of our day.

 

Well, part of it is how the government works, which is important.

Homeschooling is no excuse. If you don't know the basics of our government, IMHO, you should just stay home on voting day. That said, it's just my opinion, and you can do whatever you want.

 

They were allowed to stay, yes? They should have been tossed years ago, and that is the point.

 

Some President refused to uphold the oath of office and refused to enforce the rule of law in America.

While other presidents who tried to enforce the rule of law were quickly called racist.

 

The Democrats blinked. That was to be expected. They control nothing. They are a minority party in every sense of the word.

Trump did absolutely nothing over the weekend to end the shutdown. He met with no one. Not one Senator has come forward and said Trump talked to him on the phone. Trump didn't call Schumer. He didn't call McConnell. He made no statements to the American people. Over the weekend, the White House remained shuttered. There was no news conference. Beyond a tweet asking for the nuclear option -- which was quickly rejected by the Republican leadership -- Trump didn't do a thing.

The C.R. is for three weeks, and the Democrats were promised that the issue of the Dreamers would be taken up in that time. However, McConnell is already playing it coy. He is talking about immigration, not the Dreamers. Immigration reform is complicated and contains many issues, the wall, chain migration, lottery system, border security (which itself has many issues), status of the eleven million illegal immigrants living in the U.S., etc.etc. Congress has been trying to pass immigration reform for decades.

So, in other words, the Republicans are already trying to complicate the issue. Schumer and the Democrats are talking only about the Dreamers and making them legal by statute. That is agreeable to over 80% of Americans and two-thirds of Republicans. Even Trump has said he loves the Dreamers.

It will be interesting to see what the reaction of the Democrats will be if, at the end of the three-week C.R., McConnell and the Republicans are still dragging their feet on legalizing the Dreamers.

Then there is another fascinating issue. If the Senate passes a bill legalizing the Dreamers, what will the House do? The House will go along with the Senate only if Trump approves.

And no one knows what Trump will do.

Including Trump.

 

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace,

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one

 

AG Sessions said that he was going to make it legal. These people are not dogs. They were allowed to be here for years and they are
humans just like you. This is morally wrong and I know that you don't give a sht since you have nobody in this game and are a
card-carrying member of the Trump fck you base. Remember that these people are not here because they sneaked in. This is the only home that they know. Trump isn't trying to enforce anything. He doesn't like 'em. Afraid that whites in our country will become the
minority, Yes? Republican Ronald Reagan signed a law giving amnesty to those undocumented immigrants establishing roots here. Reagan was a true Republican and had Republican values. Your group has no values.
George Bush valued families and tried to keep them together, but Congress didn't go along. Trump made
a deal to keep the DACA at the famous meeting and then changed his mind when little Miller heard about it. When you make a deal,
you keep your word. At least I do. You? The Law as written did not intend to toss innocent people. If the rule of law was enforced in its strictest sense, you and I would be tossed.

 

Re: the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1968 that many refer to as Reagan's amnesty, the Democrats demanded a one time amnesty to never be repeated again.

The American people were told there were only 1.5 million illegal aliens in America in 1986 but for some really strange reason 3 million illegal aliens were awarded amnesty.

Then more illegal aliens came across the border whining that it wasn't fair that they weren't included in the amnesty and demanded another amnesty and liberal activist went to the 9th Court of Appeals and the 9th Court legislated from the bench telling Congress you have to pass a second amnesty.

Six amnesties sneaked through Congress since 1986 with always the same promise from Democrats this will be the last amnesty never to be repeated again and once we get our amnesty the border will be allowed to be secured.

Seven amnesties and seven lies.

The DACA amnesty is amnesty # 8.

I don't liked always being lied too.

 

Here is how you handle DACA...

You bring in all the DACA dreamers as citizens and close down immigration for a year or two to substitute DACA for regular immigrants.

 

I did not imply that that was is not going to happen.

 

Ooo yeah! Make them give back. Great idea!

 

How many should we make citizens: 12 million? 30 million? 100 million?
Ever see the movie, "Idiocracy"?
It has come true!

 

Then there is this:

And because you are so on top of it, Ron, I'm sure you read this today:

 

but you do think all the folks who were brought here as babies or born here to illegal immigrant parents should be deported right ?

 

You don't like being lied to? Then why do you support Trump, the consummate liar? Ronald Reagan and the Bushs had empathy and compassion for others
and the numbers were not as important as the philosophy. Where is your empathy?

 

I have a real life so I don't pay much attention to Trump's tweets, do you ?

Little lies don't bother me, it's the whoppers that I can no longer eat up and my belly is still full of all of Obama's whoppers.


Tell me, tell me, tell me lies
Tell me lies
Tell me sweet little lies

 

Trump's lies are full of whoppers. You are kidding me, yes? You should pay attention because his lies translate into his governing style
and will surely have a negative effect on your life.

 

President Trump hates Whoppers, he prefers Big Macs.

 

That is another thing that I don't like about him. The Wopper is much better tasting than a Big Mac and is fresh meat. The double
Wopper is the way to go. Only 500 calories or less and good for your heart and potential stroke. Delicious

 

For me, its either its all who fit the requirements of DACA or none. It simply wouldn't be fair if one person gets to stay and one person gets deported.

Dox?

I too, think the eligibility requirements for DACA are too narrow. Apart from what you were talking about, it accepts too broad a range of people. The general argument against deporting childhood arrivals is that America is all they know and their home country will be foreign to them, meaning that they would struggle to adapt to life there. The problem is, not everyone would be guaranteed to struggle. I would be interested to know how the Obama administration came up with the age parameters. Anyway, DACA seems to equate a 25 year old with no partner or kids who arrived when they were 15 in 2007, to a 35 year old who entered as a baby in 1982, with a partner and kids, a house in the suburbs and lets throw a dog or two in there too for good measure. I'm sorry, but I wouldn't have too much sympathy for the 25 year old being deported. Leaving home at 15, they will know their home country very well and having only lived for a decade in the US, I can't imagine that they will suffer too much in adapting to life in a country which I'm sure many of them would consider to be home, having lived there for 5 more years than in the US. However, I definitely would have sympathy for the 35 year old who has set up life for themselves in the US. Correct me if I'm wrong, but DACA doesn't take into account the number of years that someone has been living in the US for. Doesn't this mean that someone who arrived in the US as a kid but who are now adults who were older than 30 on June 15, 2012 and are now 36-100 years of age will be subject to deportation?

I would skip the "are they working" part. I don't think its fair that someone is deported simply because they're not working. I would perhaps rule out citizenship to protect against a welfare burden and consider citizenship when they get work. And how would an alien be on welfare? Fake documents? If so, charge them to the full extent of the law but I would they that they should be able to stay. Anyway, any alien who possesses fake document and are claiming welfare took a massive risk if they signed up to DACA as now the government has two identities of the same person. One with legal status and one which is in DACA! The irony of this is, that they would no longer fit the eligibility requirements having committed fraud and reaping the proceeds of crime. So they would surely end up being deported and it would be their own fault.

What assimilation programs are immigrants currently required to go through? I'd never heard of such a thing.