Order restored. Balance of power alive and well, thanks, US constitution

Clearly.

 

Articles of Impeachment should require a 2/3'd vote in the House.

 

I don't know where you get your information, but your post is entirely inaccurate. It IS true that many Democrats were shocked & deeply offended when Trump won the White House thru the Electoral College. It is NOT true that they immediately began finding ways to impeach him. In fact, Pelosi RESISTED a gradually growing tide of impeachment advocates for over two years, & finally caved after strong evidence was found by House committees of wrongdoing. Yes, there was at least one female Democrat in the House who publicly advocated for impeachment from the inauguration, but it is both inaccurate & dishonest to claim all Democrats agreed with her, or to use her as the voice for the entire party--which she certainly wasn't. Lies like that serve no one, but result in more & more polarization between the parties. That's neither necessary or healthy for the nation. Becoming more accurate & honest in our claims against each other could help heal our nation. Destroying it over false claims & open lies, is a really bad choice. Why don't you help us heal?

 

"Minor officials".

 

I'm confused by your response. Are you saying you really don't care about us healing?

 

Yes, "healing" is high on the list for the next sham investigation.

 

I've been making the point on several posts today, that the Trump Republicans are so self-righteous & self-serving & determined to never compromise with anyone disagreeing with them, that they are willing (even eager) to split the country into what they see as its "liberal" & " conservative" halves. Your determination to comment only on what you see as "wrong" with leftists, with no mention of possible compromise or healing for the rift you seem to want to widen between us, demonstrates the open attitude many Trump Republicans now have toward splitting the nation apart permanently. You pose one more reason I oppose Trump.

 

Good luck with the healing at the next leftist riot.

Funny how the people attacking Trump 24/7 demand we figure out a way to heal their issues.

 

We have reasons for our feelings toward Trump. They are valid reasons. Most of us DON'T want the extremism now existing on BOTH sides. But we can't resolve the issues causing the gaps between us alone. The conservative right has to be part of the healing. Otherwise no healing takes place. Your sarcasm isn't helping.

 

Really.

What extremism have you faced on the Republican side.

My sarcasm highlights the glaring holes in your argument.

 

All of us face the extremism dominating the Trump side every day of our lives. It sucks the oxygen out of every room every moment of every day. It's everywhere, & it's oppressive. Many left leaning members of this forum have repeatedly expressed a desire to heal the breech. I have done so myself. But the response we get from the Trump Republicans is arrogance, hostility, blame, derision, & sarcasm. Liberals by nature, care about others as much as themselves. Liberals believe in compromise because we feel compromise delivers some of what everyone wants so everyone can feel they're not left out. Liberals just want to see that Trump Republicans share at least some of those values. So far, the evidence for that just isn't there. All liberals would like to see that change.

 

Your feelings aren't someone else's fault.

Explain specifically what and how your oxygen is being sucked away from you.

Actual liberals, like Dave Rubin and Dershowitz, are not on the side of the progressive Democrats.

What "values". How are those "values" being maligned?

 

I thought someone had grew a spine for a minute and was once again concerned about the national debt... then I realized it is $23 trillion.

 

I'm still waiting for actual examples of extremism dominating your lives every day.

 

$23 trillion.

Also known as the per year cost of the Democrat hopefuls agenda.

 

I must have missed the mainstream proposal that will add $23 trillion to the debt per year. Care to post it?

I am sure you can find two or three extreme right think tanks that use only the most extreme proposal by one or two representatives using only the worse possible figures and outcomes.

 

Pick a card, any card.

https://www.aspeninstitute.org/blog-posts/how-much-will-the-green-new-deal-cost/

https://www.npr.org/2019/11/01/7753...nds-20-5-trillion-to-pay-for-medicare-for-all

 

Neither one of them verify your claim of “per year cost of the Democrat hopefuls agenda”.

American Action Forum, a non-profit center-right think tank pegs the cost at $5.2-9.3T per year (they also ignore all savings across the board)

The Urban Institute pegs the cost at $2-3.5T per year


Or do you believe that 2 or 9 is equal to 23? Keep your cards, you need them.

 

It's easy when you divide by 10 then know that anything the government predicts will actually be double.

Regardless, the extra 10 trillion a year might as well be eleventy billion.

Just Warren's healthcare plan alone can't be done by turning all the billionaires in the US to paupers and putting a 25% VAT on everything.

We'll tax our way to prosperity I guess.

 

What is the process people think our government should follow, when the House subpoenas Executive Branch documents and witnesses to testify under oath? Do we normally go straight to impeachment of the president, when there is a disagreement on the limits and constraints for the separation of powers between House committee chairmen and the executive branch?

Or do we go to the other branch, the SCOTUS, and have the matter on separation of powers resolved there? Why didn't we do that here? Why did the dems go straight to impeachment?

 

I don’t know what good holding hands and singing Kumbaya could do, but if it would get people off their lazy butts and work instead of mooching off the govt then I’m all for it.

 

Even doubling the highest figures available the plans do not reach your falsehoods.

Although I do not feel the plans as proposed are the best way about fixing the numerous issues with our nation — there are numerous proposals for how to pay for these programs. I would link them but we both know you won’t read them — so I won’t bother.

No one wants to turn billionaires into “paupers”, they just have no choice but to go to places that are hoarding vast sums of cash. If you know of another source that holds 70%+ of the nations wealth you should recommend it — I am sure our billionaire Education Secretary that is buying her seventh multimillion dollar yacht to add to her fleet would thank you.

 

You guys weaponize our intelligence and security agencies; illegally spy on and spread lies about a Presidential candidate and later our President; falsely impugne the character of innocent people; drag the country thru 3+ years of BS investigation after BS investigation, et al, et al, et al, etc, etc...

And now you want a pass on all the criminal behavior and vitriol - now you want to make nice like it was all in good sport??

Crap to that buddie

 

Actually, no. We Dems have won almost every popular vote. The last time you guys actually won it was in 2004. Before that was in 1988.

Might want to ponder that trend.

 

It doesn't matter what the President of Ukraine said, or what Kim Jong Un said, or even what Putin said. Facts are facts.