Oregon's drug decriminalization effort a 'tragedy'

Bullshit. Drug addicts destroy families and communities, not just themselves.

 

Your babble doesn't change what I wrote.

 

You completely lack an understanding of the topic and do not seem interesting in learning. So yeah. No point.

 

Absolutely.

In fact, the Oregonian Measure has done the exact opposite of what proponents said it would do.

"But in the first year since the pioneering effort to decriminalize drugs took effect in February 2021, only 1% of those who were ticketed — rather than arrested — for possessing controlled substances asked for help via the state’s new hotline." sourced above Post #44

The kicker is Measure 10 was supposed to be the ideal model for other states hoping to get people into treatment by decriminalizing drug use.

 

Um, yeah... NO.

 

prohibitionists don't care about facts

 

What an odd question to ask.

 

exactly, prohibitionists often have good intentions, but bad outcomes

 

So it keeps offenders out of jail. Overdoses and deaths will keep happening though... Families and communities will continue to suffer from crime increasing due to state sanctioned, drug induced behaviors... Addicts will just keep gaming the system by getting misdemeanor type tickets because they sure aren't asking for treatment for their addictions in exchange. What's the point anyway?

 

I live not far from Portland, and I have seen the degradation of a once beautiful city. But something is wrong with that 1 in 5 statistic. I don’t believe 1 in 5 Oregonians are addicted to drugs.

 

I'd be all for this Measure if it actully had promise and worked.

It doesn't, (the stats in OR. prove it), so please go sell decriminalization to someone else.

 

My son and his family live in Wilsonville, a fairly mid-upper class burb of Portland. They are fairly isolated from the decay of a once beautiful city. They won't even go into the downtown area of Portland anymore. Just too dangerous and crazy.

Oregon’s new law has sadly fallen short of one of its central goals and that was to get people into drug treatment through law enforcement. Maybe they need to raise the price of the ticket?
"Under the law, a state hotline was set up so people who get police-issued drug tickets can call to arrange for a substance-abuse assessment. If they get an assessment or go into treatment, the courts will toss out their fines."

Source: Post 44

 

Says the people that want to disarm people and force them to wear masks and get a worthless "vaccine".

 

I live near your son.

Anyone who knows anything about drug addiction knows that people will get treatment if they really want treatment or if they are forced into treatment while incarcerated or as a requirement of probation, under threat of jail if they don’t. Hardcore drug addicts are not going to get treatment to get out of some piddly fine that they would never pay anyway. It’s just not going to happen.

 

It can happen. That's why you put somebody in jail once they victimize somebody else, whether the cause is addiction or something else. Jailing people just for possession does more harm than good. It can hurt the prospects of somebody who may have been a casual or experimental user, like lots of people I knew in high school and college who are fine, but would not have been fine had they been incarcerated. Keep the jails ready for real criminals who actually harm others.

Decriminalizing drugs only limits the harms the state does to people - it doesn't stop drug addiction. Same for legalization, but with the added benefit of undermining organized crime. Demand side reduction is the best thing that can be done to deal with drugs.

 

We can start but electing out of office The once senator Joe Biden who was very proud of the 3 strikes and you are out. I because of people like him, that we have that problem.

 

any measure that does not make drugs available from a pure pharmacy is a
half measure" because it is still being controlled by a criminal element which has impure toxic drugs...just because your mind is cemented to our drug war mythology, does not make an alternative opinion "babble" please be respectful the Oregon measure is half-baked because it has to satisfy semi-ignorant voters as well as knowledgeable ones

 

Well, didn't you just put yourself into a blunder fork.
Either you support full body autonomy...Or you dont. If not, then the government has the right to control your body.
Which is it?

As for me, i can support mask mandates because your rights end when they violate mine..In the case of masks, its to prevent you from spreading filth to others when you are sick. Its no different, then mandating weapons be holstered. Your cough is a weapon. For drugs, you arnt hurting me. And if they can be used to hurt me, then they should be granted 2nd amendment rights.

I support mask mandates ONLY as a last resort, during a pandemic causing outbreak.

I support ending prohibition because its a failed policy.

 

And your insurance company let you hire people without a pre-employment drug screen? Yeah, ok...lol

 

as long as criminal control the supply, drugs will be bootleg garbage and take your chances, you point out exactly why drugs should come from a pharmacy quit nicely...crime comes from the huge price makeup of the product not the drugs themselves...you quite marvelously include the effects of prohibition together with the drugs a rookie mistake...research history of drug war become enlightened

 

Insurance isnt the government.
There are private firms that fill insurance gaps, not only that, that's the perfect reason why government should not be involved.

The market handles it fine enough.

 

I agree. Education and opportunity are key to dealing with addiction.

 

Sorry, but I've got better causes to be respectful to rather than what strongly suggests is a failed Measure meant to get addicts into treatment.

 

No actually I didn't.

The government isn't controlling your body when you get pregnant.

Getting pregnant is a consequence of performing an action that will get you pregnant. You've already consented to the action.

A baby is a person separate and distinct, regardless of where it is at the time you want to kill it. There is no logical difference between killing it inside or outside of the womb, regardless of how old it is.

The only difference is one of illogical perception.

Laws protecting children that prevent you from killing your 5 year old should also prevent you from killing your unborn 5 month old.

As for masks, if you're vaccinated, then my wearing a mask has no effect. I mean honestly it has no effect on you either way, wearing it or not, vaccinated or not. Coughs are not weapons any more than words. Your beliefs are just those a weakling would have.

Drugs absolutely hurt you. Cocaine, heroin and such drugs have no valid legal purpose in society. They're the root of most crime.

 

And drugs like cocaine and heroin serve no purpose except a negative one outside of medical facilities.

You can't use something like these hard drugs "recreationally".