it they labeled the tomatoes when they sell them, I could care less that they sell them I just want to know they are genetically modified if they sell them pink slim is made from bone, cartilage, all the left over stuff no one would buy... label it as such, I eat hot dogs, so I am not anti-pink slime, I just want to know what I am buying stop trying to hide things from people, they have a right to know what they are buying.... .
'They' are NOT selling them!! For God's sake, I GAVE you the link!! Buy a boneless roast of some kind...Get a meat grinder and make your own. (I would use Chuck myself) I myself however, have no problem buying and eating packaged hamburger bought from the grocery store. Thinking you are somehow being poisoned by beef products or Monsanto is literally cuckoo.
for God's sakes read what I wrote, IF they sell them, then they should label them in other-words, I could care less IF they sell them, as long as they label them .
OK...OK...I missed that. I see you said IF they sell them and, if they do, you can bet everyone will know what they are because they will be able to be picked at ultimate ripeness and not age. They will taste like fresh, vine picked tomatoes. At least that's the claim. If you read the link I provided you will find the name (Flavr Savr) they gave them.
All quite irrelevant! Even certified organic food has some GMO in it. Why? Cross pollination, ie gmo pollen on an organic plants flower. There is no choice over that. In addition, all government studies and the many other credible scientific studies tell us GMOs are safe. How can you recognize the GMO produce which came from a farm any where in the range of a GMO crop? You can't!
With this last sentence, I agree. As to the "science from both sides of the issue," not a single credible study against GMO is credible. Most of their "DATA" comes from anecdotal evidence and has little if any credibility. BTW, being raised in the home of an Agricultural Scientist completely bombs your ignorance on my credibility. Given a choice I buy in this order: 1 GMO, taste better and safer. 2. Standard farming practices. 3. But if the other two are not available I tend to buy nothing, because organic crops pass on more bacteria that can be harmful that the other two combined. My personal experience in hybridizing was grafting different varieties of pecan trees to the end of clearly marked branches, giving enough time for pollination from a similar tree then netting the entire graft to prevent outside pollination. It was excruciating work painting pollen on to the blooms, but my father, my brother and I tended to 28 separate varieties of trees. When the various pecan varieties were harvested each was weighed, cracked and the meat weighed, they were compared data wist to each other: 1 total crop of each variety. 2 weight of the whole pecan 3 weight of the meat. Correlation of the results of each variety from the number of pecans, the weight of the whole pecan, meat weight (to determine the best cost/price by weight (how pecans are sold from producers,) 4 Difficulty of shelling, 5 flavor, 6 pros and cons for farmers to raise different varieties 7 appearance. All relate to market, sale, profit, cost to produce, and all the other factors required to be in the pecan business.
Labeling is not necessary, but the new Tomato new on the market suggests other tomatoes cannot compete in safeness, flavor and nutritious. - - - Updated - - - I agree about additives like pink slime
We're not told the truth about GMOs. No one cares about flavor, or nutrition. The only one who cares about nutrition on food is the marketing department at Monsanto, who spends $millions brainwashing us into thinking we're getting something good, from chemical intensive modern farming practices. Big farms like convenience. GMOs provide convenience. There's nothing more convenient than spraying thousands of acres several times. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to add Roundup to water - and GO SPRAY. The Roundup kills the weeds but it doesn't kill the corn. But more and more Roundup is IN the corn. The cows eat the GMO corn, which has Roundup in it, and the GMO corn itself does something 'extra' to the cow's stomach. Scientists disagree on exactly what is happening to the cows stomachs. Monsanto scientists say whatever happening is very good. other scientists say it's bad. But whatever it is - it's long term. we humans have NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT in the short term. NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT HERE, FOLKS. ANY PROBLEMS WILL BE "LONG TERM" WHICH MEANS NO ONE WILL EVER KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM.
That is irrelevant. The real point is, labeling will scare away ignorant people thinking it is not as good, as safe, as tasty, as nutritious as standard farmed food. This would be a travesty making people who cannot afford higher prices choose food that costs more because of stupid propaganda thrown out by other ignorant people. - - - Updated - - - You can't handle the truth; you prefer your smoke and mirrors. Nothing you have said today or ever is anything but ignorant bull poop. Historically the "Green Revolution" has been a great boon to mankind even if 5% get sick from it (a gross exaggeration) over 30 years, it still prevents the starvation of millions over the same period of time. I have read the studies on both sides of the discussion. So far every argument against GMO is BASED ON ANECDOTAL DATA, while the for is based on empirical data by the REAL scientists. You anti people are full of poop.
not labeling them makes people ignorant of the truth of what they are buying.... I get it, you probably own stock in these companies..... but lets be realistic, people have a right to know what they are buying .
Yay for the green revolution, which is a lot of different things. You can have a green revolution, with farmers using minimal chemicals and you can have an insane sh!tty green revolution with farmers contaminating the environment, poisoning farm workers, contaminating ground water, and poisoning our food supply. Two different green revolutions. Here's a movie on the "green revolution of Dole" in Central America that screwed up a lot of people - for good. All over the world, banana plantation workers are suffering and dying from the effects of these pesticides. http://www.bananasthemovie.com/about-the-film Here's a good documentary for anyone who wants to learn something about the 'green revolution' going on in Thailand. It's the same all over the world. It's ugly. http://www.cultureunplugged.com/documentary/watch-online/play/6626/Orange-Alert The best green revolution is when farmers cut back on pesticide use. That happens occasionally. but mostly, we're getting screwed badly by Monsanto and the agri-chemical companies.
Funny....I have been raising pigs on GMO crops for years and never had any problems from GMO's . The only problem I ever had was keeping enough feed in them.
People that push "organic" farming clearly hate the planet and want to pollute it as well as hate farmers and want them to suffer more health problems. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/nature/fewer-pesticides-farming-with-gmos/ Even some organic farmers don't seem to have any problems with GMOs. Its the clueless, elitists and completely uneducated snobs with no clue what they are talking about that keep spewing this anti-GMO nonsense.
The GMO's are bad basically always leads back to an attack on seed patents. It isn't that they really are upset with GMO's--just that they cannot propagate them on their own without paying somebody. It is kind of like complaining about your favorite band because they won't give you free tickets to their concert.
BEST Has anyone on this thread ever seen a garden before? Gardens are cool because people can have a lot of good clean food, right in their back yard. Green onions. Lettuce. Peas. Cucumbers. Tomatoes. Carrots. If one tomato happens to be eaten by some bug, or it sits on the wet ground and starts to rot, we simply throw it away. A garden is amazing - Nothing but Pure Clean Healthy Nutritious food. And because it doesn't need to go long distances before we eat it, it's even better for us. As soon is vegetables or fruits is picked, it's start losing nutrition. Gardens are the best. REALLY GOOD Small organic farms are like big gardens - rich soil is so important. But they use a few shortcuts to reduce labor. They have a few sprays that break down completely or are considered safe, like a sulfur spray. I don't know too much about organic sprays. GOOD Big organic farms are more concerned with profit, and probably spray more often with some type of organic spray. NOT BAD Small conventional farms use chemical fertilizers and chemical pesticides - carefully. They wear proper protective clothing when they spray. They don't send farm workers into sprayed fields until the required number of days has passed. They try not to contaminate the neighbors when spraying. And they try to minimize the number of sprays. The food from these farms usually has not much pesticide residue on it. It's considered healthy for people to eat. BAD Some small conventional farms are poorly managed. They just don't get it - and spray way too often. they spray as "insurance" against pest outbreaks. They spray whether they need to nor not. Food from these farms has pesticide residues on it. WORST Bigger conventional farms spray like nuts. Fifteen sprays on California strawberries ( if the rumor is true) is insane. Food from these farms is probably not good for us. UGLY WORST Huge, Thousand acre GMO farms produce food that is bad not only because it has more Roundup (herbicide) in it, but it 'might be harmful for us in the long term.' We feed GMO corn to cows that are slaughtered in a short time so we never find out how bad it is for the cows. We do know a few things. #1 - Sickness and disease is our number one industry. We spend $billions building new hospitals. Alzheimers is out of control. Diabetes. ADHD is epidemic problem now. Forty percent of us will soon be obese. All these problems can't be blamed on GMOs, but the more sh!t that ends up in our food, can't be good for us. #2 - GMOs have pesticides 'built in' to the plant. We eat that plant. Probably not good -long term. ..
A good example of why we need more regulation, and not less regulation, of commercial enterprises in the United States. It doesn't matter if the food is organic or non-organic if it's causing illness.
USDA Does Not Test for Glyphosate Most notably, as reported by Reuters,2 the USDA does not test for one of the most pervasive and one of the most harmful agricultural chemicals of all, namely glyphosate: "As has been the case with past analyses, the USDA said it did not test this past year for residues of glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup herbicide and the world's most widely used herbicide. A USDA spokesman who asked not to be quoted said that the test measures required for glyphosate are 'extremely expensive... to do on an regular basis'... Many genetically modified crops can be sprayed directly with glyphosate, and some consumer and health groups fear glyphosate residues in foods are harmful to human health, even though the government says the pesticide is considered safe." http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/01/27/glyphosate-gmo-pesticide-residue.aspx - - - Updated - - - Glyphosate May Be Worse Than DDT According to Dr. Don Huber, an expert in an area of science that relates to the toxicity of genetically engineered (GE) foods, glyphosate may be even more toxic than DDT—a devastating chemical that, just like glyphosate, was once proclaimed to be "safe enough to eat."5 Just last year, new research implicated DDT in the development of Alzheimer's, decades after exposure, and there's no doubt in my mind that we're heading down the same road with glyphosate. - - - Updated - - - Those food usually have more pesticides.
Unfortunately some of our copy right laws are wrong. 2nd generation GMOs produced when standard seed plants are pollinated with a close field of GMO should not be copy right infringement.
Great advertisement of Organic foods. Unfortunately you only post the good stuff, you neglect the part that organic foods cause more food born diseases than standard or GMO foods. Grow up, educate yourself with THE REAL FACTS. - - - Updated - - - Regulation is not the issue. Using the chemicals properly is the answer. Guidelines are there, don't violate them.
Great links! Too bad they are from VOODOO anti anti sites. Based on valid scientific studies your fears are UNJUSTIFIED. BTW doubt in your mind means nothing to intelligent people. Introduction The adoption of transgenic crops (also called GMOs and biotech crops) worldwide has been rapid and impressive, reaching 120 million ha in 2008, and continues to grow at a steady pace (James, 200. Approximately 80% of the total area devoted to these crops has been planted with herbicide-resistant crops, virtually all being glyphosate-resistant (GR) crops. Thus, a single genetic trait—glyphosate [N-(phosphonomethyl) glycine] resistance—accounts for most of the success of transgenic crops at this time. Wide-spread adoption of GR crops and glyphosate has had significant economic effects in agriculture, from replacement of previous herbicide markets (Gianessi, 2008; Nelson & Bullock, 2003) to cost savings for farmers in weed management (Brookes & Barfoot, 2008; Gianessi, 200. Furthermore, GR crop technology has generally reduced the adverse environmental and health impacts of weed management (e.g., Cerdeira & Duke, 2006, 2007; Gardner & Nelson, 200. GR crops have been a boon to farmers who have adopted them, but overuse of this single weed management technology is jeopardizing this safe, highly effective, and economical tool due to the emergence of new weed species that are only poorly controlled by glyphosate (Owen, 200 and the evolution of GR weeds. Many factors are at play in this global scenario, including further adoption of GR crops, new GR crops being introduced, other types of herbicide-resistant crops now available or that will soon be introduced, introduction of new herbicides for use in conventional crops, and the spread of current and future GR weeds. This short review will build on earlier papers (Duke, 2005; Duke & Powles, 200 in which we reviewed the status of GR crops, other herbicide-resistant crops, and GR weeds. Green’s (2009) review focused on the technical aspects of GR crops and transgenes that will be stacked with GR transgenes. Glyphosate is clearly less harmful that DDT. You are an ignorant alarmist.
I grow a big garden every year and I am starting seed for this years garden as I type. I have use glyphosate in the early spring to kill off the weeds so I didn't have to till. I have had no problems with its use except for the expense. I am going to use vinegar this year after an experiment with it last year. I can get 8 gallons of vinegar powder for less than $3.00. I do not buy organic seeds because IMHO it is just a way to charge more money for the seed. But I do stay away from treated seed because it may be the cause of bee kills. The tomatoes I plant must be disease resistant or I get no tomatoes just wilted plants. Luddites have always been around and always will. Some people can't stand prosperity,
Follow the guidelines? You have to be joking. People don't even follow the regulations and if we relied solely upon unenforceable guidelines people would be dying by the millions.
