But you do know it was not this way before 1960 and the Sexual Revolution,... right? What happened was women organized and promoted No Fault Divorce, the Right to work, Abortions made legal, Welfare to single mothers, bastards made equal to legitimate babies, sex before marriage and after babies are born, etc. This was the worship pattern of the ancient Istar members in Babylon, and it has appeared in every nation which later fell apart.
scholastic results are not a test of intelligence dave, since when?...100 yrs of results tabulated by psychologists, those people you said were experts at it?...what was their analysis dave? Women were better scholastically than men a 100 years ago and NOW!...and for 80 or 90 years those women you say are favored were actively blocked from higher education, discouraged from entering the sciences and are still underpaid when compared to men...they aren't being gifted with careers Dave, they've earned them... Here's a word you should look up and make your self familiar with...misogyny...
you clearly don't comprehend the variences in IQ tests, so you shouldn't be making claims of what they indicate ...the average woman would understand so I rest my case...
For anyone who cares to look up the latest Iq test results, women on average score higher than men...so for any men claiming IQ tests are the ultimate indicator of intelligence(which they aren't) you have to live with the fact women are smarter... IQ, tests are guides not absolute indicators of intelligence, it's been known for decades people can score low yet be highly intelligent...motivation is an enormous influence on results, offering cash incentives to perform well has raised results by as much as 10 points...creativity, also part of intelligence can't be measured by tests...cultural differences influence results...income levels affect scores...education levels attained affect scores...life experiences affect scores...all these variables can change during a lifetime and affect test results...IQ scores are not static they can go up and down during a persons lifetime... But if IQ scores are what you want to hang your hat on, women are now officially smarter..imagine that even with their smaller than average brains
Perhaps the millions of unhappy marriages in the 50's are the root cause of the sexual revolution? Watch any John Wayne film and women were treated like slaves, rightfully, women finally rebelled, laws were changed and enforced, and women moved away from bad situations. Also, much of marriage was/is rooted in religion and that too has changed where today it's more difficult for religion to trump a bad marriage. But, there have always been divorces and splits, albeit varying percentages, and it has it's effects on kids and society. IMO it's much better today...
Don't know how many different types of intelligence there are, but just thinking about memory and reasoning is enough for me to see that one IQ test cannot conclude all the intelligent levels of a human. Creativity is probably not considered an intelligence but in the grand scheme of things it's critical to have regarding innovation and problem solving. It's a bit like trying to combine the micro and macro worlds into a single equation or law...
creativity is very much part of intelligence, inspiration, the ah ha! moment...da vinci, michaelangelo, Rembrandt does anyone question their creative genius...how do you separate all the aspects of intelligence? Is memory part of intelligence? How does one function without it? How do you separate creativity from genius? Idiot savants, genius or idiots? Clearly they're missing some essential aspects of brain function...
I don't disagree with your comments above but I doubt 'creativity' alone is one of the proposed human intelligences...it might be a subset? Further, intelligence is also subjective...if I'm conversing with someone who has a 63IQ while I have a 75IQ the other person might perceive me as being intelligent. Regarding your Rembrandt perhaps another artist thought Rembrandt was a pompous ass and stupid. Regarding memory, IMO it can't be an intelligence because if one does not know how to use their stored memory in such a way to make better decisions, to solve problems, to interrelate with others, etc. then what good is it?
I see memory, creativity and any other attribute as all part of a whole...life experience is contributor to IQ testing, experience requires memory, the two are the same, without memory experience plays no part in our life, we can't learn...creativity is part of strategy, problem solving and is not just applied to artistic endeavors... I gave the idiot savant example as that was my neurologist pal used, they're brilliant in one thing but retarded in everything else, why? It's not known....normal brains are generalists, we do a lot of tasks well, savants are thought to be over specialized to the detriment of other functions...rembrandt may have been an arrogant arse but that doesnt indicate hes stupid or smart,....im sure you've known a number of people in your life that were buttholes, smart ones and dumb ones... I sent a txt to my buddy and see what he has to say, if he's in the country I'll get a response. ...hopefully it's not his most common answer "We don't know" ...
asked my neurologist buddy...he says memory and creativity are both part of intelligence/IQ....both can be developed or degraded over time... He advises that as we get older keep reading and learning, not always what you already know but new things you know little of...exercising your brain slows down the deterioration, I suppose this forum provides a challenge for grey matter...
What about that primitive H. erectus,http://www.dmanisi.ge/page?id=12&lang=en the Dmanisi hominins with brain sizes of some 600cc - 700cc. They had to have had some "smarts" to live as they did. Okay, squirrels store nuts for the winter too. Winter planning may have been biological. But the preparation of "stuff". What and how to store food stuffs that won't spoil. And the hides they wore, "raw" hides or cured ? Uncured hide would probably lead to illness as it spoiled. How were hides attached to one another to make a bigger piece ? Only knotted or sewn ? And the management if not the initiation of FIRE too. Think of what they minimally required to survive where they did and figure, how did they do it with those iddy biddy brains. Eh. Moi Brain size is over rated r > g No
or homo floresiensis, a 400cc brain which at first seems unimpressive, about the size of lucy or a chimp...but the hobbit was found on the island of Flores, east of the Wallace Line...that would indicate they were capable of long range planning and had the intelligence to build reliable water craft capable of crossing open seas, impressive for 400cc brain...a chimp with a similar sized brain isn't capable of anything near that level of complexity...
I agree that all the attributes we can define collectively define one's intelligence. But in order to judge this, someone must compare one person to others, which in a career or task or raising a family, etc. might have no meaning. I have a friend who owns thousands of acres of land and much of it has white split-rail fencing...he has a single employee who knows nothing except paint the fence. In one year he is back to where he started one year earlier and just keeps on going. He is considered a great long time employee! Is it fair to compare this guy to someone writing computer code? The same might apply to a family caretaker who could care less about anything outside of the home and family. I'm positive that what I do not know is probably 1000 times greater than what I do know. I'm positive my best friend has the same attributes, however, if we were tested, we surely would see very different results. So the root question should be how we fare when we are being compared to a specific task or job...not comparing ourselves to others...
Most of the time this forum is a challenge to not consume more alcohol. I've always endeavored to learn something as often as I can but it does not come easy. First I need the external stimulus then I need to spend my own time rationalizing the stimulus, and just about the time I think I learned something, the next day I get new and conflicting information, then start all over again...too much work as I get older! I'm anti-political and anti-religion and a bit of non-conformist which means I must think for myself instead of letting all of these institutions do my thinking...makes for lots of work...
It's accomplished over long periods of time, and I'm guessing most of it by chance or luck. Things happen, like mistakes, some of which can present good results...like preserving foods or curing hides, etc. - - - Updated - - - Did you read recently that chimps are capable of planning and executing murder?
yes but invading a neighbours territory or killing a rival is quite a distance from building water craft, that requires language
Slaves...? Women had the important job of raising the next generation to be good citizens. They also had no electric tools to do all the Housework, which they now have. They were essential parts of civilization. Men had a boss at work, usually 10-12 hours daily and Saturday. Men griped too.o have a boss. Men thought they were the boss at home, because they paid all the bills and women had no job opportunities to support the family. The Sexual Revolution was just a way to use sex as a tool to get "paid" for being basically a whore in one way or another. Marriage became No Fault Divorce so women could bail out and do better. Nevertheless, the "victim" of the Sexual revolution is, and has been, the fatherless kids who suffer child Abuse when raised in the poverty of bastards. No one likes t
What the psychologists did was to recognize you are right. They divided Intelligence into seven different types, and developed Tests to measure and compare them. They came up with Seven Multiple Intelligences: These ideas are now widely recommended and used in Public Education.
? You are a guy who knows nothing about the subject, and uses this footnote everyday which demonstrates that I am correct... "'Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.'-John Stuart Mill"
The conservative bible readers and the liberal non-believers both actually agree if they would each read what Genesis says correctly... This same story is reported in this book: This all began 7 million years ago, when, by an Act-of-God, two of the normally 24 chromosome of an ape mother fused together in the womb, creating the first man with only 23 chromosomes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome_2_(human) "Chromosome 2 presents very strong evidence in favour of the common descent of humans and other apes. According to researcher J. W. IJdo, "We conclude that the locus cloned in cosmids c8.1 and c29B is the relic of an ancient telomere-telomere fusion and marks the point at which two ancestral ape chromosomes fused to give rise to human chromosome 2. Because the fused chromosome is unique to humans and is fixed, the fusion must have occurred after the human chimpanzee split, but before modern humans spread around the world, that is, between 6 million and ~1 million years ago (Mya; Chen and Li 2001; Yu et al. 2001) (Fig.5). References: 1.Fan Y, et al. Genomic Structure and Evolution of the Ancestral Chromosome Fusion Site in 2q13-2q14.1 and paralogous regions on other human chromosomes. Genome Research 2002, volume 12, pages 1651-1662.
