Our right to drop off our kids at a safe school outweighs your right to guns

Yes, of course the Constitution provides ample ability to be amended, and it has been amended 27 times. Thus, myopic, tyrannically-minded simpletons can try to cancel the 2nd Amendment if they wish to... but....

Nobody forces anyone to have offspring.
Nobody forces anyone who has had children to send them to any particular school system.

Now, change the Constitution if you want to try, but don't expect to get everyone's blind, unquestioning compliance in such a stupid, misguided effort.

It seems necessary to point out every time we have one of these things that, "WHEN GUNS ARE OUTLAWED, ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE GUNS!"

. "Disarm the rest of you idiots? That suits me JUST FINE!"

 

Gosh, the school is already a gun free zone! You mean he broke the law???? How could that happen?

 

Nor can you just take them away.

The premise of the thread title is mind-numbingly lame...

 

no.

So then you can explain why you need a gun because of illegals ?

 

No it doesn't.

My rights outweigh tragedies.

 

I agree with you with reference to the rise of violent video games, music, and movies. It's obvious that social media plays a role.

Social media insulates one from the consequences or responsibilities of one's words and actions.

For instance ,I firmly believe that nearly everyone on this forum is a decent law abiding and friendly person in their personal and social lives. Yet we say the vilest things here and insult one another in ways we would never do in person.

This effect carries forward, especially in the minds of people who can't distingushs between reality and the artificial world of social media.

I have felt this way for a long time.

When I was a kid, no one used a four letter word or bled or engaged in acts of senseless violence in the movies. They still talked about all the "adult" issues and topics. But they managed to get the point across without being crude and in your face.

We replaced the blandness of Ward Cleaver and Rob Petrie, with Roseanne Barr and Married With Children. One may have been artificial, but they showed us a world we wanted to aspire to. The other showed us "reality" and provied excuses for bad behavior and failing families. No one really wants to be the disfunctional, but television excuses it by putting disfunction on the screen.

And media didn't indulge in a race to the bottom, either. News was the news, not the barrage of "opinion" journalism that dominates cable TV news. You could get viewpoints, but they were usually on the editorial page of the newspaper. We used to get the liberal paper (in my case the Baltimore Sun) AND the conservative paper ( the Hearst owned News American).

There was no Howard Stern, Rush Limbaugh or Glen Beck, either, except late at night on obscure local AM radio. These people, and others like them (not all political) have needed to constantly lower the bar of acceptable public discourse because they know that manufactured outrage is their principle product.

Unfortunately, yesterday's outrage is today's commonplace, which is how, over the course of the last forty years, we managed to get ourselves a President who is the perfect distillation of the race to the bottom of the barrel.

But the gun debate has changed too.

Back in the 1960's and 70's the gun control debate centered around urban violence, and the weapon of choice was a cheap 22 pistol colloqually referred to as the "Saturday Night Special". Now, the weapon of choice is the AR 15.
So, while the minds have been corrupted by the dumbing down of media and the public discourse, there had been a concomitant rise in the capability of the commonly available firepower, and this is a problem as well.

We are putting powerful weapons into the hand of the paranoid, the mentally ill, and poltical extremists of all types. And we are surrounding them with media (both social and corporate) that feeds their fears, prejudices and isolation.

 

Its illegal to murder people. Our laws are doing the best they can.

If you want to change the constitution have your senators and state reps draft a bill and it will get voted on. If it passes the presser will habe to sign it. If you can't get that. The constitution won't change sorry.

 

maybe me with a gun but I know he isn't arguing to remove gun free zones.

 

Some went too far in banning guns, now it is too far the other way. If we could trust we are going back to the illegal gun against the punk on the subway with a screwdriver, we might could ban the AR 15..., but without banning all guns you aren't going to stop school shootings, he had other guns. The AR 15 is like a liter bike you can't drive legally on any street as it was designed, it is the sports car you can't drive as fast as it goes except on a track, it is just a mental thing, it doesn't shoot any faster than the semiauto handgun you can get at any donut shop with an ice pick to the brain.

 

I'll support gun control laws when liberals support laws which stop the mass importation of people into this country who kill innocent Americans in murders, drunk driving, or other violent crime.

 

Looks like you've got nothing to worry about...

 

You are right....to an extent.

While I agree that action needs to be taken (all this “thoughts and prayers for the families of the victims” be damned), banning all guns is not the way to do it.

Look at it this way: if some idiot decides to drive under the influence after a heavy night of drinking, and (God forbid) they accidentally kill someone, how do we respond? Well, we don’t blame the alcohol for causing a needless death, we blame the person, right? The same can be applied to gun use. Guns are inanimate objects; they are incapable of pulling their own triggers. Someone has to pull the trigger to get it to do anything. Rather than blame the weapon (even though, yes, some people shouldn’t be able to get one in the first place), we need to start blaming the person.

So, how can we make sure nothing like this happens again? First, we have to make it so that mental health treatment is both easier to access and affordable. Second, we make background checks more strict and close any possible loopholes. And third, there are two options:
1) We don’t ban ALL guns, but rather, ban automatic weapons from being sold to the public (with exceptions for military use only).
Or
2) This f***er, Nicolas Cruz, was able to purchase an AR-15 at 18-years-old. Let that sink in: in America, a person has to be 21 to purchase alcohol, but a younger person can easily purchase an automatic weapon. How does that make any sense?!
So, what we can do is change it so that you can only purchase these weapons if you are 25-years or older.
Why should the minimum age be 25 and not 21? The answer lies in brain development itself. The brain is actually the last part of the body to fully mature. So, even though you are considered an adult at 18-years-old (in America), your brain is still growing. According to neuroscientists, brain development persists until you turn 25-years-old. https://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/02/18/at-what-age-is-the-brain-fully-developed/
For a younger person, their cognition, ability to assess risk, and think logically (rather than emotionally) have ways to go. If they purchase a gun, they may not fully grasp that they are dealing with a deadly weapon that can potentially kill someone. Therefore, until their brain is fully developed, they should have no business purchasing a gun in the first place, especially an automatic rifle.

*Sorry for the long post...

 

Nonsense. The 2nd amendment is necessary.

It needs to be accepted though that the right to gun ownership comes with responsibilities. And if you fail in those you lose the right.

Being mentally ill, torturing animals, being on certain anti-psychotics known to induce violent outbursts, and beating your wife need to be on the list of reasons why you're not allowed the right to own a gun any longer.

 

This is absurd. I agree with deporting people who don't belong here wholeheartedly, but holding the lives of our children hostage over ****ing politics.... you should not be allowed to vote.

Pathetic.

 

Actually aided and abetted by the leftist war on men, attempted castration of the male half of humanity, and the absurd I dea that a piece of paper not backed up by fire power stops anything. Gun free zone equals dead kids walking.

 

No it is the fool left that are deluding themselves into thinking that making schools a gun free zone is going to protect children. That has been prove to be a lie many times over. We need good people in the schools with guns to protect the children.

 

I don't own any guns at the present time. That's my personal choice. maybe when the kids are moved out I shall.

Now what part exactly do you think doesn't make sense Jake? it seems to me that a Man whos brain tells them that defined ,verifiable biological facts about them are wrong, and insists on identifying as a female...are unstable mentally. You don't want the unstable to have guns right?

So you of course don't support these people being in the military right?

It's the exact thing we're talking about and it is being fought for by many on the left.

You don't get to pick some Mentally unstable people and call them heroes and allow them to get their hands on the largest guns we make...yet at the same time use Mental instability as some checkbox on a list of things one must not suffer from to own a gun.

I don't think there is any 100% magic bullet Jake. For the most part schools are very safe. You could add security and metal detectors I guess to feel better, but again nothing is going to 100% guarantee anything.

 

Doesn't happen often, but I 100% agree with you.

Here's the thing Tom, the most common used caliber today is the 9mm, not the 5.56mm (which and AR shoots). I understand that the potential is there, but in the vast majority of gun homicides the caliber of choice was the 9mm.

People are demonizing a tool because of the flash it provides.

Work on the people problem and gun problem will take care of itself.

 

The mental deficiency in some of the statements amazes normal minds.

Who is asking for your guns, podjos?

The question is how to do we break the link between crazies and guns.

 

See article V. Good luuuuuuck

 

You get a bigger gun than the crazy guy.

Haven't you ever heard of an arms race before? Jeez!

 

Yes because before guns there was no violence.

 

Oh wait....

 

Not letting guys wearing gas masks and carrying rifles and smoke grenades in the back door is a good start.

 

I do.