Overt Racism is Apparently Entertaining

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Whaler17, Oct 8, 2014.

  1. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2008
    Messages:
    27,801
    Likes Received:
    302
    Trophy Points:
    83
    So ... you realize you didn't even come close to addressing the issue right? What about the overtly racist stereotypes?
    - - - Updated - - -

    :roflol: You don't have a party? :roflol: RRrrrriiiiight.
     
  2. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2008
    Messages:
    27,801
    Likes Received:
    302
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Left wing bigotry is far greater than right wing bigotry, regardless of where you live. Who has a bigger problem with interracial marriage? Blacks or whites?
     
  3. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

    Joined:
    May 6, 2012
    Messages:
    3,796
    Likes Received:
    34
    Trophy Points:
    0
    "Bigot" is just a meaningless name the left call people who disagree with their nonsense.
     
  4. Habana

    Habana Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2013
    Messages:
    5,892
    Likes Received:
    1,570
    Trophy Points:
    113
    So you watched it. Did you get the message of the show last night? It was about the father moving past his preconceived notions of what young black men are suppose to act like. It actually challenged a few stereotypes but you may have missed that point. So you perceive a double standard in America in regards to shows based on racial stereotypes. Big deal, turn the channel.
     
  5. J0NAH

    J0NAH Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2011
    Messages:
    8,047
    Likes Received:
    18
    Trophy Points:
    0
    yes. all of the movies about Ancient egypt and israel have so- called white lead characters. whats up with that!
     
  6. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2008
    Messages:
    27,801
    Likes Received:
    302
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Lefty nutbags stage huge protests and fight to have shows they don't like cancelled, I suppose that is a right reserved for left wingnuts?????
    - - - Updated - - -

    So you are referring to 50 years old or older movies to make some sort of point? :crazy:
     
  7. NothingSacred

    NothingSacred Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2012
    Messages:
    2,823
    Likes Received:
    24
    Trophy Points:
    38
    I'm all for showing overtly racist stereotypes, as long as black people's are also prominantly featured as much as white people's.
     
  8. J0NAH

    J0NAH Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2011
    Messages:
    8,047
    Likes Received:
    18
    Trophy Points:
    0
    yes, or even contemporary art, take your pick.
     
  9. Habana

    Habana Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2013
    Messages:
    5,892
    Likes Received:
    1,570
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'd tell the left the same thing. If you want to imitate the neo-Marxist left be my guest but a much easier solution is to change the channel.
     
  10. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,464
    Likes Received:
    14,677
    Trophy Points:
    113
    no, a bigot is someone who hates other nationalities, ethnicities, religions, etc....due to irrational and illogical stereotypying and personal issues.
     
  11. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2008
    Messages:
    27,801
    Likes Received:
    302
    Trophy Points:
    83
    I'm going to need some very specific examples of modern examples.
    - - - Updated - - -

    No, he had it right.
     
  12. J0NAH

    J0NAH Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2011
    Messages:
    8,047
    Likes Received:
    18
    Trophy Points:
    0
    are you now
     
  13. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

    Joined:
    May 6, 2012
    Messages:
    3,796
    Likes Received:
    34
    Trophy Points:
    0
    "Bigot" means somebody stuck to one view in the face of strong evidence for a contrary view. The left wield it as meaningless name calling. The left never demonstrate "hatred" or in their opponent, or that "stereotyping is illogical and irrationality", they just assert this. It's name calling. The left would ironically better apply the wordto themselves.
     
  14. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2008
    Messages:
    27,801
    Likes Received:
    302
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Got nothin eh? I figured as much.
     
  15. J0NAH

    J0NAH Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2011
    Messages:
    8,047
    Likes Received:
    18
    Trophy Points:
    0
    The film cast of the film called exodus about Israelites (2014) is played by saxon Anglos
     
  16. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2011
    Messages:
    51,861
    Likes Received:
    23,098
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I reviewed the show so I tried to read as much about it as I could, and based on the pilot episode, it's terrible. It's basically a minstrel show. They play on black sterotypes but since the creators are black it's like, "hey we can do this." In the first episode, the father is upset that his family isn't "keeping it real" and wants dinner to be fried chicken instead of backed chicken, and doesn't want his son playing hockey; he wants him playing basketball. The whole thing is a confusing racist mess. You know, that would be fine if the show were funny, but after watching the first episode, I didn't even crack a smile once, and believe me, I really wanted to be entertained. No dice.
     
  17. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2008
    Messages:
    27,801
    Likes Received:
    302
    Trophy Points:
    83
    A film nobody has ever heard of? That is how you chose to try to make a point? :rolleyes:
     
  18. J0NAH

    J0NAH Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2011
    Messages:
    8,047
    Likes Received:
    18
    Trophy Points:
    0
    The film called mummy with Rachel whites ( 2000) had a Saxon playing the ancient African philosopher, "white ppl show"
     
  19. mikemikev

    mikemikev Banned

    Joined:
    May 6, 2012
    Messages:
    3,796
    Likes Received:
    34
    Trophy Points:
    0
    http://www.prometheism.net/library/CultureOfCritique.pdf

    JEWS AND THE MEDIA: SHAPING “WAYS OF SEEING”

    I noted above that Jewish movements opposing European domination of the U.S. focused on three critical areas of power: The academic world of information in the social sciences and humanities, the political world where public policy on immigration and other ethnic issues are decided, and the mass media where “ways of seeing” are presented to the public. CofC focused on the first two of these sources of power, but little attent ion was given to the mass media except where it served to promote Jewish intellectual or political movements, as in the case of psychoanalysis. This lack of attention to the cultural influence of the mass media is a major gap. The following represents only a partial and preliminary discussion.

    By all accounts, ethnic Jews have a powerful influence in the American media—far larger than any other identifiable group. The extent of Jewish ownership and influence on the popular me dia in the United States is remarkable given the relatively small proportion of the population that is Jewish. 28 In a survey performed in the 1980s, 60 percent of a representative sample of the movie elite were of Jewish background (Powers et al. 1996, 79n13). Michael Medved (1996, 37) notes that “it makes no sense at all to try to deny the reality of Jewish power and prominence in popular culture. Any list of the most influential production executives at each of the major movie studios will produce a heavy majority of recognizably Jewish names. This prominent Jewish role is obvious to anyone who follows news reports from Tinsel Town or even bothers to read the credits on major movies or television shows.”...

    [A substantive breakdown of Jew media company ownership follows]

    Even granting the exceptions, it is clear that Jews enjoy a very powerful position in U.S. media, a position that is far more powerful than any other racial/ethnic group. The phenomenal con centration of media power in Jewish hands becomes all the more extraordin ary when one notes that Jews constitute approximately 2.5% of the U.S. population. If the Jewish percentage of the American media elite is estimated at 59% (Lichter et al. 1983, 55)—probably an underestimate at the present time, the degree of disproportionate representation may be calculated as greater than 2000%. The likelihood that such an extraordinary disparity could arise by chance is virtually nil. Ben Stein, noting that about 60% of the top positions in Hollywood are held by Jews, says “Do Jews run Hollywood? You bet they do—and what of it?” 33 Does Jewish ownership and control of the media have any effect on the product? Here I attempt to show that the attitudes and opinions favored by the media are those generally held by the wider Jewish community, and that the media tends to provide positive images of Jews and negative images of traditional American and Christian culture.

    As many academics have pointed out, the media have become more and more important in creating culture (e.g., Powers et al. 1996, 2). Before the 20th century, the main creators of culture were the religious, military, and business institutions. In the course of the 20 th century these institutions became less important while the media have increased in importance (for an account of this transformation in the military, see Bendersky 2000). And there is little doubt that the media attempt to shape the attitudes and opinions of the audience (Powers et al. 1996, 2–3). Part of the continuing culture of critique is that the media elite tend to be very critical of Western culture. Western civilization is portrayed as a failing, dying culture, but at worst it is presented as sick and evil compared to other cultures (Powers et al. 1996, 211). These views were common in Hollywood long before the cultural revolution of the 1960s, but they were not often expressed in the media because of the influence of non-Jewish cultural conservatives.

    Perhaps the most important issue Jews and Jewish organizations have championed is cultural pluralism—the idea that the United States ought not to be ethnically and culturally homogeneous. As described in CofC , Jewish organizations and Jewish intellectual movements have championed cultural pluralism in many ways, especially as powerful and effective advocates of an open immigration policy. The media have supported this perspective by portraying cultural pluralism almost excl usively in positive terms—that cultural pluralism is easily achieved and is morally superior to a homogeneous Christian culture made up mainly of white non- Jews. Characters who oppose cultural pluralism are portrayed as stupid and bigoted (Lichter et al. 1994, 251), the classic being the Archie Bunker character in Norman Lear’s All in the Family television series. Departures from racial and ethnic harmony are portrayed as entirely the result of white racism (Powers et al. 1996, 173).

    Since Jews have a decisive influence on television and movies, it is not surprising that Jews are portrayed positively in the movies. There have been a great many explicitly Jewish movies and television shows with recognizable Jewish themes. Hollywood has an important role in promoting “the Holocaust Industry,” with movies like Spielberg’s Schindler’s List (1993) and the four-part television miniseries Holocaust (1978 ), written by Gerald Green, directed by Marvin Chomsky, and produced by Herbert Brodkin and Robert Berger. Both of these films were lavishly promoted by Jewish groups. The promotion for Holocaust in 1978 was remarkable (Novick 1999, 210)...

    In general, television portrays Jewish issues “with respect, relative depth, affection and good intentions, and the Jewish characters who appear in these shows have, without any doubt, been Jewish—often depicted as deeply involved in their Judaism” (Pearl & Pearl 1999, 5). For example, All in the Family (and its sequel, Archie Bunker’s Place ) not only managed to portray working class Europeans as stupid and bigoted, it portrayed Jewish themes very positively. By the end of its 12-year run, even archenemy Archie Bunker had raised a Jewish child in his home, befriended a black Jew (implication: Judaism has no ethnic connotations), gone into business with a Jewish partner, enrolled as a member of a synagogue, praised his close friend at a Jewish funeral, hosted a Sabbath dinner, participated in a bat mitzvah ceremony, and joined a group to fight synagogue vandalism. These shows, produced by liberal political activist Norman Lear, thus exemplify the general trend for television to portray non-Jews as participating in Jewish ritual, and “r especting, enjoying, and learning from it. Their frequent presence and active involvement underscores the message that these things are a normal part of American life” (Pearl & Pearl 1999, 16). Jewish rituals are portrayed as “pleasant and ennobling, and they bestow strength, harmony, fulfillment, and sense of identity upon those who observe them” (p. 62).

    Television presents images of Jewish issues that conform to the views of mainstream Jewish organizations. Televi sion “invariably depicts anti-Semitism as an ugly, abhorrent trait that must be fought at every turn” (p. 103). It is seen as metaphysical and beyond analysis. There is never any rational explanation for anti-Semitism; anti-Semitism is portrayed as an absolute, irrational evil. Positive, well-liked, non-Jewish characters, such as Mary Tyler Moore, often lead the fight against anti-Semitism—a pattern reminiscent of that noted in CofC in which non- Jews become high-profile spokespersons for Jewish dominated movements. There is also the implication that anti-Semitism is a proper concern of the entire community.

    Regarding Israel, “on the whole, popular TV has conveyed the fact that Israel is the Jewish homeland with a strong emotional pull upon Diaspora Jews, that it lives in perpetual danger surrounded by foes, and that as a result of the constant and vital fight for its survival, it often takes extraordinary (sometimes rogue) measures in the fields of security and intelligence” (Pearl & Pearl 1999, 173). Non-Jews are portrayed as having deep admiration and respect for Israel, its heroism and achievements. Israel is seen as a haven for Holocaust survivors, and Christians are sometimes portrayed as having an obligation to Israel because of the Holocaust.

    In the movies, a common theme is Jews coming to the rescue of non-Jews, as in Independence Day, where Jeff Goldblum plays a “brainy Jew” who rescues the world, and in Ordinary People , where Judd Hirsch plays a Jewish psychiatrist who rescues an uptight WASP family (Bernheimer 1998, 125–126). The movie Addams Family Values , discussed in CofC (Ch. 1, Note 4) is another example of this genre. Bernheimer (1998, 162) notes that “in many films, the Jew is the moral exemplar who uplifts and edifies a gentile, serving as a humanizing influence by embodying culturally ingrained values.” As discussed in CofC , this “Jews to the Rescue” theme also characterizes psychoanalysis and Jewish leftist radicalism: Psychoanalytic Jews save non-Jews from their neuroses, and radical Jews save the world from the evils of capitalism.

    On the other hand, Christianity is typically portrayed as evil, even going so far as depicting Christians as psychopaths. Michael Medved describes Hollywood’s cumulative attacks in recent years on the traditional American family, patriotism, and traditional sexual mores—th e Hollywood version of the culture of critique. But the most obvious focus of attack is on the Christian religion:

    In the ongoing war on traditional values, the assault on organized faith represents the front to which the entertainment industry has most clearly committed itself. On no other issue do the perspectives of the show business elites and those of the public at large differ more dramatically. Time and again, the producers have gone out of their way to affront the religious sensibilities of ordinary Americans. (Medved 1992/1993, 50) 34 ​

    Medved fails to find even one film made since the mid-1970s where Christianity is portrayed positively apart from a few films where it is portrayed as an historical relic—a museum piece. Examples where Christianity is portrayed negatively abound. For example, in the film Monsignor (1982), a Catholic priest commits every imaginable sin, including the seduction of a glamorous nun and then is involved in her death. In Agnes of God (1985), a disturbed young nun gives birth in a convent, murders her ba by, and then flushes the tiny, bloody corpse down the toilet. There are also many subtle anti-Christian scenes in Hollywood films, such as when the direct or Rob Reiner repeatedly focuses on the tiny gold crosses worn by Kathy Bates, the sadistic villain in Misery . Another media tendency is to portray small towns as filled with bigots and anti-Semites. Media commentator Ben Stein records the hostility of the media toward rural America:

    The typical Hollywood writer . . . is of an ethnic background from a large Eastern city—usually from Brooklyn [i.e., they have a Jewish background]. He grew up being taught that people in small towns hated him, were different from him, and were out to get him [i.e., small town people are anti-Semites]. As a result, when he gets the chance, he attacks the small town on television or the movies. . . . The television shows and movies are not telling it “like it is”; instead they are giving us the point of view of a small and extremely powerful section of the American intellectual community—those who write for the mass visual media. . . . What is happening, as a consequence, is something unusual and remarkable. A national culture is making war upon a way of life that is still powerfully attractive and widely practiced in the same country. . . . Feelings of affection for small towns run deep in America, and small-town life is treasured by millions of people. But in the mass culture of the country, a hatred for the small town is spewed out on television screens and movie screens every day. . . . Television and the movies are America’s folk culture, and they have nothing but contempt for the way of life of a very large part of the folk. . . . People are told that their culture is, at its root, sick, violent, and depraved, and this message gives them little confidence in the future of that culture. It also leads them to feel ashamed of their country and to believe that if their society is in decline, it deserves to be. (Stein 1976, 22) ​

    This is a good example of social identity processes so important in both Jewish attitudes toward non-Jews and non-Jewish a ttitudes toward Jews: Outgroups are portrayed negatively and ingroups are portrayed positively (see CofC passim and MacDonald 1998a, Ch. 1).
     
  20. vino909

    vino909 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2014
    Messages:
    4,634
    Likes Received:
    40
    Trophy Points:
    48
    With few exceptions... sitcoms are written by morons and viewed by idiots. This is not one of those exceptions.
     
  21. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2008
    Messages:
    27,801
    Likes Received:
    302
    Trophy Points:
    83
    One character? :roflol:
     
  22. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    May 12, 2009
    Messages:
    82,348
    Likes Received:
    2,657
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Could you cite a statement by Obama you claim is overt racism? Thanks.
     

Share This Page