Pakistani men can beat wives 'lightly,' Islamic council says

Your suspicions don't agree with the facts. The majority were Saudis, whatever their roles.

Again, Saudis

Golda was a very intelligent woman in a land noted for it's well educated people. On the other hand we have parents celebrating the death of their children, and their parents clearly do encourage them. We could go back many years to see more parents using their children as walking bombs. It's disgusting and there is no defense for it. . http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=479

 

You really should make up their collective minds. You, for example, say the the US 'created' Saddam Hussein (though it was likely his environment) and are upset by that but then say others wanted want Saddam Hussein to remain in power. So which is it? I was in the minority who thought democracy could be introduced in Iraq and it appeared to succeed until Obama pulled the troops in 2011. After that more of the chaos which has become so identified with Muslims.

As long as Muslims have someone else to blame, be it Jews, Americans, or whomever, they will never take responsibility for their actions and failures. It's like dealing with bearded children.

Yes. So what?

In fact the US is known for its human rights, and that includes the rights of women, Gays, children and so on. Muslims nations are known for their lack of human rights as well as both their economic poverty and their intellectual poverty. Too many Muslims are limited in their literature, with the Koran taking precedence over all other human knowledge. This is not a good thing.

 

The came to Palestine as desperate refugees and proceeded to abuse the native population.

That story about using children as suicide bombers is just another Israeli lie.

 

^^ All talk & No substance

Anyway, American people are Super Gullible, and you guys never fail to prove that ... Iraq War was never about democracy, It was about Oil ...

 

This seems real enough. Is it fake? These mothers, and others, were celebrated in Palestine. I sincerely doubt these are 'Israeli lies', as you claim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI4WYhWCYK4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Vi9oNs42hs

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In fact there were several points made but you prefer personal insults, as anyone can see, a certain sign you have no argument to make.

 

have you read the OT... many Christians followed many of the things in the OT, including many of their views on gays

 

Have you not read the NT? Christians aren't under the law of the OT. Hating homosexuals ISN'T
a Christian attribute. Jesus says, "love your neighbor". Homosexuals are our neighbors.

Christians who follow the OT law aren't following Christianity.

 

Matthew 5: 17 says differently.

 

Several points ?? like calling all Muslim nations intellectually (and economically) poor ? and saying that too many Muslims are limited in their literature ? and that dealing with them is like dealing with bearded children ? What several points are you talking about ?

And when you were told that you guys were gullible and easily believed in whatever was told to you by your media/government, you say that I prefer (hurling) insults ?? Hypocrisy much ? Double standards ? ... You guys believe that you are superior ... And that's precisely the problem. You guys claim to be the champions of human rights, but death of millions of innocent Muslims, for which you are directly responsible, doesn't mean anything to you. Are Muslims "Children of lesser God" ??

 

I believe that is an exaggeration -- USA is responsible for at most 3 million civilian deaths since WWII -- in Korean War, Vietnam War, Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

But definitely USA is much more brutal society then any Muslim society.

 

That was the US answer for Soviet support of VietCong. USSR in Afghanistan used tactics similar to the ones used by USA in Vietnam.

 

'hell/eternal damnation'? But I don't wanna go to hell and be damned for eternity!!

 

Those statements are directed toward a belief system, which many find ridiculous, and is not predicated on where you were born. Islam holds human beings back and robs them of the freedom people should celebrate. It censors books and contrary opinions. I also feel the same way about victims of Communism.

The deaths of Muslims and non-Muslims would not change the consequences of Islam. There is simply not much good that can be said for it. That you believe in Islam doesn't give it any more credibility than any other belief, and they should all be open to criticism. It seems clear that Muslims are "Children of a Lesser Religion" as it doesn't do much for its followers, unless they are male. But even then it doesn't belong in a first world environment.

Your own anger at any criticism of Islam is reflective of many Muslims, who feel they must silence anyone who dares question its authority. They will riot and murder if anyone mocks Islam or its 'prophet'. This is madness, a collective insanity we've often learned from in history. If you can't defend tour beliefs without using violence and hate it can't be much of a religion. Would you agree?

 

No, it doesn't say it differently. Read the whole verse. The law hasn't been abolished, it's been
fulfilled. Christians aren't under the law.

 

You said that (all) Muslim nations were intellectually poor. So, Your statement was directed towards 50 Nation States, not a belief system.

And many outside the US believe that Americans are stupid and gullible people who are easily fooled by their media/government.

So, when you call 50 countries intellectually (and economically) poor, do expect that people from those countries will express their opinion about you as well. Free speech goes both ways.

Your bigotry is showing !!

Those who kill (or try to do so) others for mocking Islam are clueless about what the Holy Quran actually says on this matter:

"When ye hear the signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme." [Qur'an 4:140]

"And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: "to us our deeds and to you yours; peace be to you." [Qur'an 28: 55]

"Hold to forgiveness, command what is right; but turn away from the ignorant." [Qur'an 7:199]

"Have patience with what they say, and leaves them with noble (dignity)." [Qur'an 73:10]

"And the servants of Allah . . . are those who walked on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say 'Peace'" [Qur'an 25:63]

"Allah is with those who restrain themselves." [Qur'an 16: 128]

". . . But they uttered blasphemy . . . if they repent, it will be best for them, but if they turn back, Allah will punish them." [Qur'an 9:47

 

They are intellectually poor because they all have censorship. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Islamic_societies There can never be intellectual freedom when the government and religious leaders are deciding what people can and cannot read.

People can believe whatever they choose but they should base these beliefs on information available to everyone.

Of course. I don't mind that at all, though I may not give it much credibility.

How so? I'm basing my opinion on what I see and read. If I'm wrong than it's easily pointed out. You cannot be a bigot by pointing out flaws in any belief system. There is nothing above honest criticism, and that includes Islam, and all religions, and all political beliefs as well. You may think Islam is 'special' but it certainly isn't to anyone who wasn't raised with those beliefs. It's just more nonsense.

I honestly have little interest in what the Koran has to say about anything. There are far better books available from which I can learn.

 

Wajid Kalam?

 

Sorry, I didn’t get you

 

Well, then by your own logic, the West is intellectually poor too. They too have censorship laws. For example, Holocaust Denial is illegal in at least 14 European nations (with jail term extending up to 20 years in some countries).


Iran held a a conference questioning the Holocaust (December 11, 2006) .The Tehran conference was roundly condemned. UN Secretary General Kofi Annan announced that he deplores any conference that sought to cast doubt on the reality of the Holocaust. The European Union's top justice official described the conference as "an unacceptable affront" to victims of the World War II genocide. British Prime Minister Tony Blair denounced it as "shocking beyond belief." French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy called the conference "quite simply not acceptable.” German Chancellor Angela Merkel said her country repudiated it "with all our strength. . . ."We absolutely reject this. Germany will never accept this and will act against it with all the means that we have."

Criticizing or questioning any belief system or religion doesn't make you a bigot. But calling All Muslims 'intellectually poor', 'bearded kids' etc. and declaring that "Muslims are children of a lesser religion" surely does.

 

Big noise.

 

I believe that Russia holds back people in the same way....depriving them of freedom and choice....but even worse is their desire to force more of humanity into client state status which can be seen in their current aggressions around the world.

 

Nah! No money in that Preteen. All those armaments sitting on the shelf gathering dust? Gotta get that stock out there, girl! Gotta keep that demand going! So many employed. So much money to be made!

And meanwhile the people pick sides like it's football and our side's the best. The strongest. The fairest.

Seriously. I sat in a cafe and watched a crowd watch TV and loudly cheer their side on, high fives and whoops of joy. It was 1990. They were watching bombs drop on Iraq.

I had one in the pram and one in my belly and I was terrified.

 

He was our ally until he wasn't, Chris.